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Topic: Can you identify twins by the birth GRO references alone? (Read 683 times)
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carol8353
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Agreed on both counts.......yes you would expect them on the same page or consecutive ones. BUt also just because there's two babies with same surnames doesn't automatically mean they're twins.
Sister in laws or cousins having babies at the same time possibly ?
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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Nick29
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As far as I know, the only way to tell that someone is a twin is that there is a time of birth recorded on the certificates, which doesn't usually appear on single certificates.
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Best Wishes, Nick. Research interests: Field - Luton & Islington Hole - Somerset, Suffolk & Surrey Farnish, Parker, Cattermole, Last, Wasp, Church - Suffolk Lewin/Lowin/Lowen - Hertfordhire Martin - Eltham & Greenwich, Kent (London) Stead - Greenwich, London (Kent) & Maidstone Wood - Hertfordshire Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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carol8353
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We've discovered in the past though Nick,that they don't always do that in England- they should - but they don't 
I suppose it depends on the registrar and how well he understands the instructions!
In Scotland it is done as a matter of course.
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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LizzieW
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As far as I know, the only way to tell that someone is a twin is that there is a time of birth recorded on the certificates, which doesn't usually appear on single certificates.
But if you had two birth certificates, same place and date of birth, same surname, same parents, but without a time, surely they would be twins.
Lizzie
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carol8353
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Yes I was thinking that too Lizzie
It'd be difficult for one mum to have two babies on the same day and them not be twins 
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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Nick29
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I'm not disputing that at all, but it is common practice to put the time twins births, so you can tell the order of birth. My great aunt and great uncle were twins, and they had the time of birth recorded.
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Best Wishes, Nick. Research interests: Field - Luton & Islington Hole - Somerset, Suffolk & Surrey Farnish, Parker, Cattermole, Last, Wasp, Church - Suffolk Lewin/Lowin/Lowen - Hertfordhire Martin - Eltham & Greenwich, Kent (London) Stead - Greenwich, London (Kent) & Maidstone Wood - Hertfordshire Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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plasticwindow
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Sorry maybe I am being dense but - without paying for a certificate - am I right in thinking that two births in the register but with page numbers 5 and 35 means that they are not twins as presumably it means 30 pages of births have been registered in between? This is the situation I have, they are the only births in England and Wales that quarter of that surname but they are 30 pages apart so I think one of them is, as someone else said, cousin etc. Thanks
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silvery
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Twins will ususally have the same index reference, or possibly be one following the other, eg 364 followed by 365.
I think you can safely say the births you have found won't be twins.
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plasticwindow
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Thanks, that is what I thought.
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carol8353
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Just make sure you look at the actual page by clicking on the glasses on Free BMD,just incase either numbers have been mistranscribed.
If they are stiil 5 and 35 then I'm with Silvery
Carol
Oh and Welcome to Rootschat UPVC......oops sorry Plastic Window 
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plasticwindow
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 He he yes random name I was given on some previous website.....
Yes, I did check the actual page so I am sure they were not twins but relatives as it's the same small area and same unusual name. Thank you very much for the welcome.
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Alan b
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I'm not disputing that at all, but it is common practice to put the time twins births, so you can tell the order of birth. My great aunt and great uncle were twins, and they had the time of birth recorded.
This is correct. My brothers are twins and the time is on their certificates and the same happened to my nan and her twin sister. I have about 13 sets of twins that I know of and all those born after 1837 have got the time recorded.
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