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Topic: Can you identify twins by the birth GRO references alone? (Read 691 times)
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Lydart
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I've got a friend with twin boys born on different days and different months ... one at 11.55 p.m. 30th June and the second twin 12.10 a.m. 1st July !
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Jebber
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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The point of the time of birth being recorded for twins is to establish who is the eldest, important for inheritance entitlement. For twins born in the workhose this may not have been considered of importance, especially if they were sickly and not expected to live.
Jebber
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CHOULES All
COLE Gt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset.
MONK Odiham, Hampshire.
RAM(M)EL(L), Kent.
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.
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DudleyWinchurch
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Among my collection of birth certificates, I have one with time of birth from the early years of registration but not a twin. The registrar checked and said that all the births in that particular register at around that time had the time of birth included.
I also have two children born the same day in 1870, registered the same day (not the day of birth) and baptised on the same day (again not the day of birth) in the same church but, to two different families whose addresses differed by 2 houses in the same street (although there were yards of other houses in between).
I'm thinking that they were first cousins but there is nothing in the paperwork to prove it, so far. I had thought that the mothers may have gone together to register but there is an extra registration number between the two births and the one informant is the mother of one child and for the other, it's the father. Does anyone know if the parents/infomants went to the registrar in 1870 in England, or if he came to them (just thinking that born on the same day might mean most likely registered the same day in the latter case)?
Also, in addition to births around midnight, I suppose that modern medical techniques might also make it possible for twins to be delivered at much longer intervals than could happen in natural childbirth, so again the era could make a difference
All in all, it seems to show that without the detail, the index can only indicate possibility of twins and can never be taken as definitive.
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McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, Cuthbert, Quirk, O'Malley (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)
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Jebber
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I also have times on birth certificates for some single births, some registrars were over zealous.
Up until 1875 it was the responsibility of the registrars to go out and collect the information to register the births, from 1875 it became the responsibility of the parents to go and register, omission was punishable by a fine.
Jebber
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CHOULES All
COLE Gt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset.
MONK Odiham, Hampshire.
RAM(M)EL(L), Kent.
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.
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DudleyWinchurch
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I also have times on birth certificates for some single births, some registrars were over zealous.
Up until 1875 it was the responsibility of the registrars to go out and collect the information to register the births, from 1875 it became the responsibility of the parents to go and register, omission was punishable by a fine.
Jebber
Thanks Jebber,
so two babies born the same day (or maybe even the same week) in the same street would be extremely likely to be registered the same day, irrespective of any relationship.
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McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, Cuthbert, Quirk, O'Malley (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)
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carol8353
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My two gorgeous grandsons
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Also after 1875 if the families knew each other they are likely to have gone down to the register office together if they had both just had new babies.
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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Geoff-E
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I happened to have an interest in one of these a couple of days ago ... they don't seem to have been twins although it's not hard to imagine they could have been-
Births Mar 1884
PITTS Charles Henry Tewkesbury 6a 441
PITTS Charlotte Mary Tewkesbury 6a 442
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