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Emigration: New Zealand to Australia early 1900s
« on: Wednesday 04 November 09 06:05 UTC (UK) »

Greetings, All.

I'm looking for the emigration of my gt-grandfather and his family from New Zealand to Australia - not sure if they came to Sydney or Melbourne first (possibly Sydney?); most likely leaving from Auckland.

I've been able to get the timeframe down to 1906 - 1911 inclusive. Can anyone suggest how I can find them? I've spent a lot of time searching websites and have also tried to find them in records in the Wellington branch of Archives NZ, although I didn't have time to check every record available. Finding this information will allow me to find out a lot more about this family.

His name was Ernest H Bennett, his wife was Elizabeth Ann (Annie). By the time they left NZ they had children Edith, Cora, Ruby, Pearl, Albert and Mercia.

Any suggestions, please, anyone?

Many thanks,
OzJen
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Re: Emigration: New Zealand to Australia early 1900s
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 08:52 UTC (UK) »

Hi OzJen   Smiley

Do you already have information on Ernest H. and Elizabeth Ann from their time in New Zealand ?    Or are you wanting that also ?

It seems that both were NZ-born ... and being British subjects, they were free to travel from here to OZ without the need to go through any immigration process (which effectively means, that there will be no documentation for them other than perhaps names on a passenger list - if one can be found).

There really aren't a lot of remaining passenger lists for trans-Tasman travel unfortunately.   And whilst newspapers of the day often published shipping lists (arrivals and departures) you really need a definite date to be able to search - and sometimes passenger names are not all listed.    The PROV website (Public Record Office of Victoria) has the best selection of records for passenger arrivals (see "Unassisted arrivals").   Also check the NSW State records website online passenger indexes.

Can help you with some NZ records for families of Ernest and Elizabeth Ann  ... if that's what you are wanting.   Smiley
Later edit :   Oh ... I see from another thread, that you probably already have the NZ information ?

Lu
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Re: Emigration: New Zealand to Australia early 1900s
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 15:49 UTC (UK) »

If you know there location when in NZ have you tracked directories and electoral rolls to narrow years down further. Were the children of school age, would they have left while one was still in school..thus the date they left will be in school discharge
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Same story with AUS records
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Re: Emigration: New Zealand to Australia early 1900s
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 05 November 09 09:11 UTC (UK) »

Thank you, Althea and Lucy2, for resonding to my question.

I will check out the PROV website, Lucy - I hadn't heard of that before.

The school registration idea may also be a possibility for the eldest 2 children. Thanks Althea.

Lucy, I'm interested in anything you can send me about the families of these people. I still have loads of gaps.

Cheers,
OzJen

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Re: Emigration: New Zealand to Australia early 1900s
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 05 November 09 12:13 UTC (UK) »



Hello,
                  I am assuming that you do not know that this man died in Victoria, and a Victorian death cert. will give you the information that you want - has provision for place of marriage, names and ages of all children, name of spouse, years in the state plus other states of Australia.

Victoria BDM
Ernest Hauswell Bennett d. 1939, parents Frederick Jabos Bennett and Ellen Short

The death cert. would cost you $17.50, downloadable to view at
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-earch?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria.

Wife Elizabeth d. in 1956, so she would have given the information for the death cert. - best source.

I don't know if you have any of this -
BDM NSW
Mercia Elizabeth Bennett d. 1964 St Leonards, Sydney parents Alfred Ernest and Elizabeth Mary.
Cora Kaye d. at St Leonards and she was Cora Bennet m. Clarence O Kaye 1922, Sydney. Her parents are Ernest Hauswell and Elizabeth Ann.


Ernest is mentioned in the Melbourne Argus newspaper  1929, a fishmonger opening a herbalist shop so you might find him in the Melbourne Post Office Directory.

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Re: Emigration: New Zealand to Australia early 1900s
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 05 November 09 23:30 UTC (UK) »


Lucy, I'm interested in anything you can send me about the families of these people. I still have loads of gaps.

Cheers,
OzJen


Hi OzJen

Hmmm ... I'm a tad puzzled by your posts on the Bedfordshire thread where you've said you've gone back to the BENNETT line to John BENNETT and Elizabeth WILLIAMS.  Huh      That tends to suggest that you probably  already have some information (death certs) for Frederick Jabez BENNETT & his wife ... birth /marriage cert. for Ernest Hauswell BENNETT ??   
And the researcher "Juben" who also has a connection to FJB, has offered some information ?

Always happy to assist ... but can you be more specific about what it is you are wanting to find from New Zealand records.    (It seems rather futile to go about digging for information if another researcher already has same ... and is willing to share it ?)   Smiley

Lu
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Re: Emigration: New Zealand to Australia early 1900s
« Reply #6 on: Friday 06 November 09 06:40 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Wivenhoe.

I didn't have either of those BDM entries and will follow them up ASAP.

I'll also look up the Argus entry as well.

Thanks for your input; it's much appreciated.

OzJen
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Re: Emigration: New Zealand to Australia early 1900s
« Reply #7 on: Friday 06 November 09 07:07 UTC (UK) »

Hi Lu,

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I'm a tad puzzled by your posts on the Bedfordshire thread where you've said you've gone back to the BENNETT line to John BENNETT and Elizabeth WILLIAMS.  Huh     
That tends to suggest that you probably already have some information (death certs) for Frederick Jabez BENNETT & his wife ... birth /marriage cert. for Ernest Hauswell BENNETT ??


Sorry about the puzzlement - it was unintentional. Since putting that post on the Bedfordshire thread, I've discovered that I had been given faulty information much earlier on and so I had taken a wrong turn, as we do sometimes. That brought me forward several generations.  Sad

I do have death certificates for Frederick Jabez and his wife and I do have the certificate for Ernest's marriage and his birth. I don't really know a lot about Ernest or his wife; although I do know that he got into a bit of trouble with the law and seemed to have a few dealings with horseless carriages. I really need to find his emmigration from NZ (date and port) and where he went, as well as whether he was solo or accompanied by the family (see orginal posting).

I hope this helps.

Regards,
OzJen
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Re: Emigration: Newspaper site
« Reply #8 on: Friday 06 November 09 09:00 UTC (UK) »



Hello Jen,
                    The newspaper site will bring up the two items and I have included the NSW BDM site.



   http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births


http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?adv=y 
At this page use "the exact phase" with Hauswell and tick the Victoria box for newspaper selection further down the page. The search button is at the bottom of the page.


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Re: Emigration: New Zealand to Australia early 1900s
« Reply #9 on: Friday 06 November 09 20:47 UTC (UK) »


I don't know if you have any of this -
BDM NSW
Mercia Elizabeth Bennett d. 1964 St Leonards, Sydney parents Alfred Ernest and Elizabeth Mary.

Wivenhoe.


*   Isn't this lady recorded on the NZW Death index as

   "Mercia Elizabeth A. BENNETT"      Huh

Why do you suppose that she is the daughter of Ernest H. and Elizabeth Ann BENNETT ?

Perhaps the Mercia BENNETT who died in 1964 was a Mrs. BENNETT ?

Marriage (also on NSW index )  > >

6387 / 1938
Mercia Elizabeth Alfreda GUTTERIDGE
Roland Louis BENNETT
Reg'n. - Sydney

 Huh

Lu


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Re: Emigration: New Zealand to Australia early 1900s
« Reply #10 on: Friday 06 November 09 21:19 UTC (UK) »


.... I do have the certificate for Ernest's marriage and his birth.

I don't really know a lot about Ernest or his wife; . .



Hi OzJen

Well, as "Wivenhoe" suggests, purchase of the death certificate for Ernest H. BENNETT will give you additional information.

AND .. perhaps the death certificate for Elizabeth Ann BENNETT, also ?   (More "grist to the mill".   Cheesy )


Wife Elizabeth d. in 1956, so she would have given the information for the death cert. - best source.

Wivenhoe.


Hmm ... can't altogether agree with the above statement.  Wink   Certainly the wife may have been around at the time, but she isn't necessarily the death informant.

*  Do you know if any further children were born to this couple in Australia ?

It's interesting that the NZ records show that the births of daughters Ruby and Pearl BENNETT, were not registered until 1939.    (Do you know of their actual birth years ?)

Lu

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Re: Emigration: New Zealand to Australia early 1900s
« Reply #11 on: Friday 06 November 09 21:52 UTC (UK) »

Hi Lu,

Yes, that IS interesting. That's the year their father died. They were born in 1899. Any idea how that can have happened? They were 40 years old, and living in Australia, when their births were registered ...  Huh

None of the information on Ernest's or Elizabeth's death dertificates casts any light on how long they were in Australia. I've worked out the 1906 - 1911 timeframe for their emigration based on a court case Ernest was involved in back in Auckland (found in PapersPast), and the birth of their last child in Australia which I know occurred in 1912. Due to Ernest's circumstances at the time, I'm not sure he/they left with much fanfare either - it may have been a quiet exit.

There was very little family contact as Ernest's branch of the family grew up and went their own ways in Australia. There was some ill-feeling and information wasn't passed on, so now no one I've been able to find knows much about the family's early days at all - they're a bit of a mystery, and so I'm trying to work out their story by finding documentary evidence.  Sad

This is why I'm trying to find a shipping list or some other document that shows their departure date and destination.

Regards,
OzJen
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Re: Emigration: New Zealand to Australia early 1900s
« Reply #12 on: Friday 06 November 09 21:53 UTC (UK) »

Addition to the previous posting:
Mercia was born in NZ in 1905 so I know the family were there then. Ernest features in a newspaper article in 1906; I believe he owned a business in Auckland until then.

Regards,
OzJen
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Re: Emigration: New Zealand to Australia early 1900s
« Reply #13 on: Friday 06 November 09 22:11 UTC (UK) »

Hi Lu,

Yes, that IS interesting. That's the year their father died. They were born in 1899. Any idea how that can have happened? They were 40 years old when their births were registered ...  Huh


Hi OzJen

Over the years, there were a number of Amendments to the NZ Births Act, one of which made provision (albeit at the discretion of the Registrar General),  for the registration of births which had NOT previously been officially registered (by the parents).   I would think that in 1939, Ruby and Pearl  (or even perhaps their mother) likely availed themselves of this opportunity.   The online Birth index does not unfortunately give a clue as to which particular Amendment their births were registered under (possibly Section 24 ?) ... but this should be noted on the microfiche copy of the NZ Birth index.  (I'll check it for you, when I have time.)

Will take a good look at this new info you have provided - maybe we can suggest some other "lines of attack".   (Have to dash out at the moment, so will get back to you later.)

Lu
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Re: Emigration: New Zealand to Australia early 1900s
« Reply #14 on: Friday 06 November 09 23:45 UTC (UK) »

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This is why I'm trying to find a shipping list or some other document that shows their departure date and destination

Unfortunately many of the passenger lists contain little helpful information. Often they don't have first name or even initial and the ages given are not always accurate. The link below is for Unassisted Inward Passenger Lists for Melbourne. search for BENNETT 1906 to 1911 The letter N in the Port column means the ship came from New Zealand. The index doesn't indicate where the passenger boarded that is on the image. 

http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=23

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