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Ochsenkopff
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Brickwall for 10 Years
« on: Wednesday 04 November 09 06:06 UTC (UK) »

For ten years I have been looking for a marriage between Edward Parker and Betty ?[Elizabeth] about 1792/ 
First child Robert Parker ch: 12 October 1794 Southrop Glouc.
Robert Parker himself is a mystery for his marriage which was about 1814 possible ?Ann
 Edward and Betty both died in Southrop

Church Records have no marriages for these two Parkers
If any kind person is visiting the G.R.O in Gloucester could they please try and find them for me.

I live in Australia so find it very hard to get info from the internet.

Thank you so much

Colin
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Re: Brickwall for 10 Years
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 11:47 UTC (UK) »

Colin

I will look at the Southrop PR when I am in the RO this afternoon. 

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Re: Brickwall for 10 Years
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 13:48 UTC (UK) »

There are 2  trees on ancestry showing that Edward Parker married Elizabeth Parish (or Paish) 20/12/1792 Southrop, Glos.

Edward is shown as bc.1758 or 1772 (?) Southrop, son of Henry Parker and Elizabeth Hains married 13/10/1757 Southrop.   His baptism not shown on IGI but 4 siblings are.

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Re: Brickwall for 10 Years
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 17:16 UTC (UK) »

Colin

Henry Parker and Elizabeth Parish's marriage is in the Southrop parish register dated 10 October 1757!  I could not find a marriage for either Edward or Robert in the register, although I looked for several years around the year you gave me., though a John Parker married Sarah Herbert on 20 July 1793, maybe a relative. 

I also looked in the Gloucestershire Marriage Index, but had no luck there either.  Sorry I couldn't help more.

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Re: Brickwall for 10 Years
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 23:37 UTC (UK) »

Hi Annette
I have been incontact with the lady that has that date for Edward Parker's marriage but she does not know where it came from and others I have been incontact with have said there is no record for that marriage even at the G.R.O. so I am thinking may be someone has made a mistake?

Thank you for taking time out.

Colin
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Ochsenkopff
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Re: Brickwall for 10 Years
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 23:43 UTC (UK) »

Hi Gillg
Only opened my email this morning and thought I may be able to catch you before you wasted your time looking for my problem as you have once before done that good deed for me and found nothing.
It looks like I may never solve this one.

I thank you so much for your trouble.

Colin
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Re: Brickwall for 10 Years
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 05 November 09 00:00 UTC (UK) »

Hi Chas
Yes I did see that marriage for Edward Parker and Elizabeth Lockley but I can find nothing on her to say that this is the marriage I am looking for.
Even looking at a film from the L.D.S. may tell me where she was born but it will probably only say O.T.P. and as you are an experienced researcher she may have just moved there.
1851 Census at Maisey Hampton var. gives her place of birth at Barnsely and her death suggest she would have been born around 1772, this points to a lady by the name of Betty Pash[Paish]
There is no marriage of Edward Parker and Betty[Elizabeth] Pash/Paish.
If I could prove that Elizabeth Lockley came from Barnsley then I may have solved my problem.

Thanks for your advise and help

Colin
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Re: Brickwall for 10 Years
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 05 November 09 08:33 UTC (UK) »

There are 2  trees on ancestry showing that Edward Parker married Elizabeth Parish (or Paish) 20/12/1792 Southrop, Glos.

Edward is shown as bc.1758 or 1772 (?) Southrop, son of Henry Parker and Elizabeth Hains married 13/10/1757 Southrop.   His baptism not shown on IGI but 4 siblings are.

Annette

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Chas

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Re: Brickwall for 10 Years
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 05 November 09 10:14 UTC (UK) »

Colin

I thought something about your request rang a bell! Roll Eyes

Do agree with ChasH about trees on Ancestry.  The poster there got the wrong month for the marriage of Henry and Elizabeth, for example.

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Re: Brickwall for 10 Years
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 05 November 09 11:42 UTC (UK) »

The poster there got the wrong month for the marriage of Henry and Elizabeth, for example.

When did October cease to be the 10th month Huh

I agree the date is a couple of days out. Smiley
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Re: Brickwall for 10 Years
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 05 November 09 13:48 UTC (UK) »

Oops, I mixed the marrriages up!  Roll Eyes

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Re: Brickwall for 10 Years
« Reply #11 on: Friday 06 November 09 00:30 UTC (UK) »

Hi Guys
Appreciate all your efforts to help me.

Going back into my paperwork I came across a death certificate of Elizabeth Parker wife of Edward only the informant said the husbands name was John not Edward???
I believe the informant was the daughter-inlaw who had married into the family in 1834 where as Edward Parker passed away in 1836 so there was a possibility she may have not rememered his name but this is something I must follow up on now, just incase he was christened John Edward or Edward john.
May be he used the name of John to marry Elizabeth instead of using Edward?

Back to that brickwall,

Thanks again everyone.

Colin 
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Re: Brickwall for 10 Years
« Reply #12 on: Friday 06 November 09 00:55 UTC (UK) »

Hello Colin,

Maybe I can't see wood for trees here? but could enlighten me how you know Elizabeth (Betty) Parker's  husband was named Edward.  If she is widowed on the 41c  & 51c? Unless you have family notes as to their names or her burial parish record or grave MI as widow of the late Edward died year?Huh etc.

I'm only asking in regard to her death cert as widow of John.

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Re: Brickwall for 10 Years
« Reply #13 on: Friday 06 November 09 02:19 UTC (UK) »

Hi Dobby
Try to answer that question the best way I can.
Elizabeth[betty] Parker died in SOUTHROP Glouc
Betty was staying with her son John Parker in SOUTHROP after he husbands death.John was married to a Mary who gave the information on Betty Parker.
All children to Betty and Edward were born in Southrop.
Betty in 1841 1851 census was born ca. 1772 which coresponded with her age at death and as there were no more Parkers of that age group, she had to be the wife of Edward but as I said Mary Parker wife of John was not sure of her facts unless Edward had a second name.

Hope I have explained without too much confusion

Colin
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Re: Brickwall for 10 Years
« Reply #14 on: Friday 06 November 09 03:24 UTC (UK) »

Hi Colin,

OK! Its sounds to me like the John on the death certificate of Betty mentioned by the informant is a mix up with Mary's own husband John son of betty. Only grasping at straws here but have a good deep reread at this death cert of Betty. Bearing in mind that in every day talk we say thinks that have more than one meaning -thus how does it state the link

your quote

Going back into my paperwork I came across a death certificate of Elizabeth Parker wife of Edward only the informant said the husbands name was John not Edward???

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Normaly it states on the death cert something like Betty widow of ------- died at.   (futher on) Present at death ---------   then informant -------------

Is it reading Mary-------- wife of John ( but in confusing fashion)

Regards Dobby

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