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Which software can calculate/show cousin-ships (kinships)?
« on: Wednesday 04 November 09 11:07 UTC (UK) »
Hi there,

My 1st post on RootsChat....

Does anyone know which family history/genealogy software can quickly tell you the relationship between one cousin and another ?

I would like something that allows this:

- take a typical family tree with numerous branches and 4 or 5 generations.

- I would highlight "me", for example, and then click on or hover the mouse over, a very distant cousin, or distant Great Uncle/Aunt and by some method it would tell me that the relation is "4th Cousin twice removed".

- alternatively, I would click on "me" (to start with), and choose an option somewhere to "display/show/calculate relationships". This would immediately show on the tree next to or under each and every individual, the relationship to the original person highlighted (in this case, me). 

- This function would also be dynamic, i.e. having highlighted "me", I could then click on someone different in the tree and see how everyone else is related to them.

So, is this possible in any current software? And is this software free ?  Grin  Wink

Thanks in advance

JayUU
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Re: Which software can calculate/show cousin-ships (kinships)?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 11:36 UTC (UK) »
Hi JayUU,

A warm welcome to RootsChat from me.  I know you will get lots of friendly help on here so just post away  Smiley

I have Family Tree Maker 2009 and I'm pretty sure it shows relationships in a toolbar - I need to just go and check.

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Re: Which software can calculate/show cousin-ships (kinships)?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 11:43 UTC (UK) »
Hi again JayUU,

Yes - in Family Tree Maker there is that facility.  If you set, say, a cousin as the home person, then highlight someone else, it will tell you the relationship of the 'someone else' to the home person.  I've put that badly I think  Undecided


This link will take you to a chart of relationships that you may find useful:-
http://genealogy.about.com/library/nrelationshipchart.htm

Maggie
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Re: Which software can calculate/show cousin-ships (kinships)?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 11:43 UTC (UK) »
Can't answer for any of the Free Family History programmes ,
But on Familyhistorian your relations are listed alphabetically on the opening Records window.

By right clicking on this page a drop down allows you to add any number of options, including Relationship to Root

Once added you hight light any member ,go to edit and click on File Root where you can "set as Root."  in your new column everyone  will show their relationship.

As I say, I do not know if this option is available in any of the Free programmes

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Re: Which software can calculate/show cousin-ships (kinships)?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 11:52 UTC (UK) »
Maggie, Springbok

Thanks for the amazingly quick replies. I'll check out both FTM and Family Historian - just looking at the FTM tutorial online now.

Cheers

JayUU
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Re: Which software can calculate/show cousin-ships (kinships)?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 12:21 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Maggie. on Wednesday 04 November 09 11:43 UTC (UK)
Hi again JayUU,

Yes - in Family Tree Maker there is that facility.  If you set, say, a cousin as the home person, then highlight someone else, it will tell you the relationship of the 'someone else' to the home person.  I've put that badly I think  Undecided


This link will take you to a chart of relationships that you may find useful:-
http://genealogy.about.com/library/nrelationshipchart.htm

Maggie

Hi Maggie,

Without showing any of your own details/tree from a privacy point of view, would you be able to post a screenshot of an example of that, for a "dummy" tree?

That would be really useful, particularly if I'm going to spend any dosh on FTM (could be Xmas/birthday pressie of course!)

If it's too much trouble, I understand!

Thanks again,

JayUU
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Re: Which software can calculate/show cousin-ships (kinships)?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 13:24 UTC (UK) »
Hi JayUU,

Will do  Grin

Maggie
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Re: Which software can calculate/show cousin-ships (kinships)?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 13:26 UTC (UK) »
On this Users Group site for Familyhistorian  there is this tutorial to add and remove columns on the main Records Page.

http://www.fhug.org.uk/flash/fhmodcolumns.html

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Re: Which software can calculate/show cousin-ships (kinships)?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 13:39 UTC (UK) »
Hi JayUU

This is the ficticious Bloggs family and Fred Bloggs is the home person Grin

The first page is the family page for Fred and his Grandfather Tom Bloggs is highlighted.  In the top right hand of this page it says Tom Bloggs Grandfather of Fred Bloggs.

The 2nd page is the 'person' page for Fred.  The same details are over on the top right but also on this page there at the top is a pedigree chart showing 3 generations.

Hope this posts ok and that it helps.

Maggie

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Re: Which software can calculate/show cousin-ships (kinships)?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 13:57 UTC (UK) »
Hi Maggie,

Thanks for going to the trouble of doing that - much appreciated. This certainly helps me to understand what FTM does with respect to kinship determination.

It wasn't exactly what I was after, but it's pretty darn close !

So can you display more complex trees than that in FTM and determine kinships at the click of a button ? (I think that a standard ancestral/pedigree chart you showed there) Can FTM show charts including cousins ? (Sorry for the stupid questions!)

JayUU
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Re: Which software can calculate/show cousin-ships (kinships)?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 14:32 UTC (UK) »
Hi JayUU,

It's difficult to show it's capabilities with such a small tree as the ficticious Bloggs family but the 1st image here is of the extended family tree view and it shows cousins.  Items can be added to each person's box, like bmd details, photos, sources, notes, and you can format it to make it look better.

The 2nd view shows all the different charts available.

Maggie  Smiley

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Re: Which software can calculate/show cousin-ships (kinships)?
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 14:35 UTC (UK) »
Have a look here, it may help:-

http://www.ancestryshop.co.uk/products/software/family-tree-maker-2010-deluxe-edition

.... although I note this is the newer version than mine 2010.

Maggie
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ROSTHORN - Blackburn, Accrington 18/19C; TAYLOR - Accrington, Goodshaw, Edgworth 18/19C; HARGREAVES - Midgley, Southowram, Halifax; KIDD - Knaresborough, York; SIMONETT - Sheffield, Bradford, poss. French Huguenot; NICHOLSON and JARDINE - Tinwald, Dumfriesshire, ENTWISTLE - Edgworth; LOWE - Edgeworth; GILL - Accrington, Liverpool, Blackburn all 18/19C.
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Re: Which software can calculate/show cousin-ships (kinships)?
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 14:35 UTC (UK) »
FTM-2005 has something called a 'Relationship Calculator' in which you select two individuals to calculate their relation to each other.

With all due respect, there shouldn't need to be a chart that shows cousins because you can work that out for yourself when you look at the chart.  Did you mean inter-marriage first cousins, if so, the Outline Descendancy report can display first cousins who have married?

I think you can still buy FTM-2005 and it it should be fairly cheap as it is quite old now but in many respects it is better than the current version, which by the way, changes annually.
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Re: Which software can calculate/show cousin-ships (kinships)?
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 14:42 UTC (UK) »
I've got an older version of FTM so not sure if this facility is still available on the 2009.

On my version, under Reports there is a sub-section called Kinship Report.  Assuming you are highlighting say Joe Bloggs on the family group screen, and hit this button, a list will appear showing the kinship of everyone else in the tree to Joe Bloggs.


PS this is the same version downside has (2005), and it's good.

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Re: Which software can calculate/show cousin-ships (kinships)?
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 14:46 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: BumbleB on Wednesday 04 November 09 14:42 UTC (UK)
I've got an older version of FTM so not sure if this facility is still available on the 2009.

FTM 2009 does have a Relationship Calculator (I didn't know that  Roll Eyes)

Added: It also has a Kinship Report, amongst other types in Relationship Reports.  I used to use FTM 2005 but upgraded to 2009 earlier this year.  I've no regrets - it loks very different but I'm enjoying using it.

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