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Topic: Rev P S Falkner clk 1857 (Read 174 times)
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vmhp
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Does anyone have access to CofI or Presbyterian records which include the Rev Falkner?
He recommended my ancestor for the RIC in 1857 and his location at this time will tell me where they were living. I understand the Rev would not have been RC although I thought my family were then, although they seem to swop about a bit. This is my brick wall! Thank you, Valerie
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aghadowey
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Where was your ancestor from?- clergyman must have known him to write a recommendation. Checked my reference book for Presbyterian clergy in Ireland and he's not listed so perhaps Church of Ireland rector.
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shanew147
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There's a few Falkners listed in the established church section of the ecclesiastical directory in Thom's of 1848, but no P.S.
R. Falkner - Killaloe
R.D. Falkner - Tuam
W.N. Falker - Cashel
1863 lists the following :
R.B. Falkiner - Midleton
Richard Falkiner - Bantry
Richard D. Falkiner - Borrisokane
R.D. Falkiner- Hollymount (Tuam)
R.N. Falkner - Cashel
there's no Falkner entries in any of the other faiths.
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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vmhp
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Thanks to you both. Established church? - is this RC,CI, Methodist etc? The PS Falkner is taken from the RIC records so, knowing the quality of some script, the initials and even spelling could be lost in transfer. I will ask if they can double check this for me.
I asked the CI librarian where I might find records for myself, as they do not do geneaology, and she replied that here was no PS Falkner in Oldham's Clerical Directory of 1858. However variations were not considered.
William Hoban was born in Castleblakeney 1837/8 but the family was believed to be from Mayo. However his father was, on William's marriage in 1866 (UK), described as a deceased Chelsea Pensioner and not all records of that era survive at GRO. William could have been born while his father was moved around? William served in Strabane at one time but when is unknown. He died of injuries recd in the course of duty in Lancs having been briefly retired and reached a Dublin hosp. With no pension his wife took her 4 boys to her brothers in Achill as the family (McNally) were part of Nangle's CI mission - she was brought up there. However William's son John served with the RIC in Ballinasloe so maybe I should be looking further in Galway as Herlihy tells me they were not allowed to serve in County. I will look up all the place names for the Falkner's mentioned. I am with family in Achill several times a year but my knowledge of the rest of Ireland is somewhat limited. Incidently an elderly parishioner recently compliled a list of burials in Dugort CI and if it is of any use I am happy to forwarded it to anyone interested. A lot of relatives there but some who the family have never heard of. Very many thanks, Valerie
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shanew147
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Thanks to you both. Established church? - is this RC,CI, Methodist etc?
Established church = Church of Ireland
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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aghadowey
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Other spelling variations are Faulkner and Falconer. Is there a reason why you think the clergyman would not have been the Parish Priest (Roman Catholic)?
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vmhp
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Thanks again, Hollymount looks promising.
Having been doing this for a couple of winters (never summer!)I cannot recall where I read it, but maybe one was Herlihy's book, the use of 'clk' at the end of the name means he was CI (possibly other) and certainly not RC. I have read it twice and that was good enough for me! Also I understood that Rev was not used for RC priests but I learnt that from friends. From UK census records I know that McNallys and Hobans lived in the same house at one time thus they may have known each other in Ireland and CI and RC came together there. Policemen were not allowed to have a strong affiliation to any religion...so perhaps William was a lapsed CR who knew the CI rev. better. I can but speculate on that.
You both obviously know a lot and I am most grateful. Next question....do lists of parishioners exist and where is the best place to go? Some records have become so expensive to access esp when you get the wrong one! Many thanks again, Valerie
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shanew147
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...Hollymount looks promising. ......Also I understood that Rev was not used for RC priests but I learnt that from friends...... Next question....do lists of parishioners exist and where is the best place to go? Some records have become so expensive to access esp when you get the wrong one! Many thanks again, Valerie
Rev. is cetainly used in old directory listings for both CofI and RC priests
There are no parishioner lists as such, and no census returns survive from the 1850s, but there may be parish records. Not all survived and not that many are available online. If William was CofI then the place to visit, if you can, is the Representative Church Body library in Rathfarnham, Dublin as they hold most of the surviving Church of Ireland records - the website is : www.ireland.anglican.org/
Another possible option is the pay-website of the Irish Family History Foundation at www.irish-roots.ie I dont know if they have any CofI records for Hollymount (or if any have survived) - but you can check their list of sources.
another idea may be to check Griffith's valuation to see if any Hoban family members are listed in the area.
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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