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Topic: Help Please - Robert Richardson and Margaret Stephenson (Read 273 times)
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Jannat
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Hi,
Please can anyone assist.
My great great great grandfather was a potter named Robert Richardson who died in 1858 aged 21..... and that's were my problem begins.
The mother of his children (and his wife according to his death certificate) was Margaret Richardson (nee Stephenson). Margaret was born in Sherriff Hill in Gateshead and I have maneged to trace her family line, however I cannot find a marriage entry for her and Robert. I have found other Margaret and Robert Richardsons, but none of which are correct and therefore I cannot progress with Roberts family line.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Margaret was the daughter of Philip and Hannah Stephenson.
Kind Regards
Janice
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AMBLY
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Hi Janice 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,417280.0.html
Daughter Isabella Richardson was 3 on the 1861 census so I am guessing (marriage) 1857/8.
Margaret was two months pregnant with Robert jnr at the time of her husband / partners death.
Have you found a legitimate birth record for Margaret to Phillip & Hannah?
Because if not, Margaret could have been illigitimately born and married under the name she was born as.
Have you found a legitimate birth record of Isabella to Margaret & Robert?, Or for their son Robert?
Because if not, Isabella may not have been Robert Snr's daughter. He may have gotten together with Margaret after Isabella's birth and they were planning marriage at the time of his death - wouldn't be the first bride who would have been pregnant on her wedding day 
Cheers
AMBLY
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Jannat
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Hi Ambly
Thank you for the response.
I have found the birth certificate for Margaret and she was registered as Stephenson.
I have Robert jnrs birth Cert and I have seen Isabella's baptisim record which lists Robert as the father, however the record does not provide Roberts snrs parents details.
I am begining to suspect that you are correct when you mentioned the "planned to wed".
Any suggestions on how I can progress on Roberts line without a confirmed fathers name? - Any thoughts / ideas are welcome :-)
Many Thanks
Janice
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evie
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Hi Janice
I wonder if Robert has a head stone or if his death was mentioned in the local paper. As he died so young it may mention his parents.
Evie
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evie
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Hi
Just another thought. Did Margaret marry 'again' and if so, to whom? I know it won't help trace Robert's parents, but it may tell us if she actually did marry him.
Evie
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AMBLY
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Don't like "can't find " 
Found it - I think, her 2nd marrige: FreeBMD:
Dec Qtr 1863 Newcastle on Tyne - 10b, page 54
Thomas ROSS
Only 3 on the page - one of the brides is missing.
(The other 2 on page are - George WOOTTEN and would you believe it, Ann STEPEHNSON)
Dec Qtr 1863 Newcastle on Tyne - 10b, page 34
Margaret RICHARDSON
5 on the page - there is an extra bride - and it's Margaret RICHARDSON. Looked at the image and the reference for her is clearly: 10b, page 54 (I've submitted a correction to FreeBMD)
Cheers
AMBLY
added:
http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/msearch.nsf/msearch?openform
Shows this 2 above on FreeBMD did marry, at St Andrew church - and the entry is listed as:
Margaret STEPHENSON
Thomas ROSS
Margaret RICHARDSON
Cheers
AMBLY
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AMBLY
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Has this marriage been discounted:
Jun Qtr 1855 Newcastle on Tyne
Margaret STEPHENSON and Robert RICHARDSON
Ref: 10b, page 102
These 2 on the page did marry each other, at St John The Baptist church
http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/msearch.nsf/msearch?openform
Cheers
AMBLY
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evie
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Oh well done Ambly.
The 1855 marriage looks like a good bet to me and well worth following up.
Evie
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Jannat
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Hi All,
Thanks for all of the support and assistance.
This has really got me stumped.
I have the certificate for this marriage 16th April 1855in Newcastle and it appears to be the wrong Margaret (incorrect fathers details) and Roberts age is wrong as this would make him 21 in 1855, whilst the death cert lists him as 21 in 1858. Odd thing is that both Roberts were potters.
Margaret did remarry and used the name Richardson for the marriage.
No headstone on Robert snr's grave unfortunately.
Kindest Regards
Janice
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evie
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Hi Janice
Where did you get Margaret's father's name from - was it her birth certificate? Maybe it is another Margaret 
Have you get the second marriage certificate also. What was the name of Margaret's father on that one?
Which two Robert's are you meaning that were potters?
3 years is not a lot of difference, maybe he lied as he was young when he married or his wife registering his death was unsure of his age. I might be wrong but didn't they have to be 21 to marry without parental consent?
Sorry sounds like the 3rd degree but it is just to try and sort out your puzzle.
Evie
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Jannat
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Hi Evie,
I really appreciate your help - so happy with third degree
I don't have the second marriage certificate - sounds like a great idea to double check the fathers name - Thank you
I have Margarets parents down as Philip and Hannah of Sherrif Hill Gateshead. The 1855 marriage cert lists Margarets fathers name as John Stephenson and the residence at the time of the marriage as St John the baptist parish / Newcastle. The Robert Richardson on the 1855 cert was a potter, as was the chap that died in 1859.
Kind Regards
Janice
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evie
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Hi Janice
Did it give Margaret's age on the marriage certificate?
Evie
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AMBLY
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Hi all
Hmmm - mystery!
On the face of it, it does sound as if the 1855 certificate is them and contains a few fibs, perhaps as Evie says, because they were both under 'full age'.
The 1863 marriage to Thomas ROSS is likely to be the right one though - ie: definitely the bride is the widow RICHARDSON & mother of Isabella and Robert - it may be worth getting this certific ate. Did Margaret in 1855 marriage sign her own name - perhaps compare signatures with the 1863 marriage?
On the 1855 marriage, who did Robert state his father to be? And who were the witness?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Jannat
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Hi Evie / Ambly
1855 Certificate
The signatures all look to be in the same handwriting, there are crosses after Margaret and Roberts names.
Roberts father is listed as Peter Richardson (also a potter). The witnesses were John Findley and William Melville. Robert is listed as Full age and Margaret is listed as 19 years. The marriage date is the 16th April.
Kind Regards
Janice
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I see her in Census 'remarried' to Thomas ROSS with 2 more children - John Smith ROSS and Thomas jnr but I can't find a marriage for that either??