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oldhenry70
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Thomas Greer
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looking for a Thomas Greer born 1813 Lanarkshire
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AMBLY
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Hi oldhenry70 
So we might be best able to try and help, what else can you tell us about Thomas?
for example: Marriage, children? Occupation? Is he on any Census?
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AMBLY
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AMBLY
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But, I'm picking he's the one who died in Lancashire, Prescot district 1895, with age recorded as 82?
Wife Mary Ann?
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AMBLY
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oldhenry70
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Yes he died in Lancashire & was married to May Anne.trying to trace any records of where he was born or any records of him in Scotland I have most of the information when he lived in St Helens Lancashire apart from his Wedding Cert..
Go on and shock me
Regards Dave Greer
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AMBLY
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Hi Dave
Where to start
Regarding the most of the information you have....maybe this is all old news.....
Do you have his wife's maiden name, from the births of one of the children?
1851: Crow Lane - Newton, Newton in Makerfield, Warrington, Lancashire
HO107 / Piece: 2202 / Folio: 167 / Page: 41
Head: Thomas GRIER 35, Tile Maker, b Scotland (abt 1816)
Wife: Mary A 27, b Liverpool Lancaster
Son: William 5, b Prescot Lancaster
Son: Henry 3, b Prescot Lancaster
1861: Rainhill Road - Eccleston, St Helens, Prescot Lancashire
RG9 / Piece: 2751 / Folio: - Page: 2
Head: Thomas GREER 44, Brickmaker, b Scotland (abt 1817)
Wife: Mary Ann 36, b Ashton in Makersfield Lancs (abt 1825)
Dau: Margaret 9, b Burton Lancs (abt 1852)
Son: Thomas 3, b Eccleston (abt 1858)
1871: Thatto Heath - Eccleston, St Helens, Prescot Lancashire
Head: Thomas GREER 56, Labourer, b Scotland (abt 1815)
Wife: Mary A 46, b Ashton in Willows Lane Lancs
Dau: Margaret 20, unm, b Newton? Nr? Willows Lane
Son: Thomas 14, b Eccleston
Dau: Jane 10, b Eccleston
Can't find them in 1881 or 1891?
I see daughter Jane working as a Servant. 1881 wrong - see later reply #15.
I see Henry Moss with a BRUNSKILL couple as a Nephew - the wife Ellen 39 is born in Ashton. And her older husband William 74 is the Registrar of BDM's........ RG9 / Piece: 2748 / Folio: 42 / Page: 15
FreeBMD - ages a bit out it would seem?
1883: Death - Mary Ann GREER age 66, Prescot - is this her? no, she was on 1891 Census & died 1897 Prescot age 76
1895: Death - Thomas GREER age 82, Prescot
LancBMD & FreeBMD
William GREAR - FreeBMD Mar Qtr 1846 Prescot
Henry Moss GREER - FreeBMD - Sep Qtr 1848 Prescot
Ellen GREER - birth: St Helens 1850 (FreeBMD - b Dec Q 1850, d Dec Q 1850 Prescot)
Margaret GREER - birth: Newton Le Willows, St Helens, 1851 (FreeBMD - Dec Q 1851 Warrington)
Ellen GREER - birth: FreeBMD Jun Q 1854 Warrington, death? 1856 Prescot
Thomas GREER - birth: FreeBMD Sep Qtr 1857 Prescot
David Arthur GREER - birth: FreeBMD Dec Q 1860 Prescot, death: Dec Qtr 1860 Prescot
Jane GREER - birth - St Helens 1862 (FreeBMD Jun Qtr 1862 Prescot)
IGI: only seeing some of them
Ellen GREER, chr 11 Oct 1850, St Helens, Lancashire, Parents: Thomas GREER & Mary Ann
Margaret GREER, chr 15 Jan 1852, Newton in Mackerfield, Lancashire, Parents: Thomas GREER & Mary Ann GREER
Ellen GREER, chr 14 May 1854, Newton in Mackerfield, Lancashire, Parents: Thomas GREER & Mary Ann GREER
Jane GREER, chr 6 Jun 1862, Prescot, Lanashire - Parents: Thomas GREER & Mary Ann GREER
Someone has tree for Henry Moss GREER on A*****cestry.
Attributes him as the son of above. Also says Mary Ann's maiden name is MOSS. Doesn't have all the Census - only has the 1861 & 1871 for Thomas & Mary Ann and doesn't have their marriage.
Now, the GRO image certainley says GREEN, as does the FreeBMD and LancsBMD - but it could be a original mis-transcription - because there is this:
Marriage: Mary A MOSS and Thomas GREEN married Prescot St Mary's in 1845
Grr - the registers covering Prescot St Mary's 1845 are not on this site;
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Prescot/index.html
Cheers
AMBLY
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« Last Edit: Monday 09 November 09 13:54 UTC (UK) by AMBLY »
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oldhenry70
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:Hi Amberly Very Interesting.Most makes sense + new information.
I Have The following.
Thomas Greer B1815 D1930 Born Lanarkshire died St Helens.
Wife Mary Ann Moss Born Ashton in Makerfield 1821 Died 1897 St helens.
Children :-
Henry Moss B1848 D1930
Margaret B1852
Thomas B1856
Jane.B1861
Info from 1861 & 1871 Census
and find Thomas 1848 Laboure age 33.
1861 Brickmaker age 46
1887 Tile Burner age 58
I have plenty info on Henry Moss but you have give me 3 new children of his Ellen,Ellen, & a David all died at birth or young.
Has I said I am trying to go back up to Scotland for a Birth of Thomas but finding it hard work due to lack of records.
Re Marriage of Thomas & Mary will try Prescott Records for details
I had been trying in Ashton in Makerfield ,Wigan Records seeing she was born there.but will switch search.
Hope the above info may throw more light,await any further info you can come up with especially the scottish connection
Thanks & Regards Dave Greer
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Dave and Ambly 
Not that it helps in any way to determine Thomas' roots, but he looks to have already been in Prescot by the time of the 1841 census. Showing as an agriculatural labourer, probably lodging, with two other young Scots men, both tile makers: HO107; Piece 516; Book: 6; Folio: 6; Page: 5.
Monica
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merryhow
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Hi Dave, could this be Thomas?
Thomas GRIER b 7th Aug 1819, ch 5th Sept 1819, Gorbals, Lanark.
Father William, Mother Jean Crawford.
Age a couple of years out but his father William fits nicely with his eldest son.
Val
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AMBLY
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Hi all
Dave, do you happen to know the names of Mary Ann's parents?
If they are Henry and Ellen, for instance - we might expect Thomas' parents to be William & and possibly Margaret....that's if Thomas was Scottish in the full sense of the word. Meaning was he of Scottish heritage as opposed to 'accident of birth' through parents being in Scotland for some reason at time of his birth.
I also wonder if there was another daughter named Mary or Mary Ann named after the mother, born & died possibly between Ellen & Jane. This would make it 'right' for a Scottish naming pattern, which can often be a big help.
Could I ask where the Lanarkshire place of birth has come from - perhaps it's family knowledge handed down?
Considering the various spelling variations of GREER, plus the first two known children being born in Prescot, I'd certainley agree the Prescot marriage 1845 of Thomas GREEN is worth investigating.
BTW - won't help the quest I guess, but William GREER, the eldest son looks to be in the Census in later years, married with children. Say if you'd like these Census details.
Cheers
AMBLY
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MonicaLesl
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I've got Irish Greer on my side (my step father). On researching his line, Greer was often mistranscribed are Green - something with the 'r' looking like an 'n' for index purposes!
Monica
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oldhenry70
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 Hi Ambly
No I dont have mary ann's parents name and with regards to Thomas being born in Lanarkshire I know Im not dreaming it but I cannot find the census where it showed born Lanarkshire Scotland but there it must of been on another cenus other than 1861 & 1871. when I find it I will post it..
We did check with Prescot re we will try again using Thomas Green
Keep Up the good work but no thanks again for your interest shown.
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oldhenry70
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Hi MonicaLesl.Thanks for your interest shown,will check 1841 census missed that one.
Regards Dave
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oldhenry70
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Amberly forgot too say on last posing,WILLIAM oldest son of who THOMAS have no record of this son,yes do please let me have census info to follow up.
Dave
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AMBLY
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Hi Dave
1861: 13 Houghton Street, Rainhill, Prescot, Lancashire
RG9/ Piece: 2744/ Folio: 33/ Page: 19
Head: Ellen SWIFT 50, widow, Beer Seller, b Rainhill
Son: John SWIFT 29, unm, Toolmaker, b Rainhill
Dau: Mary SWIFT 23, unm, Waitress, b Prescot
Son: Albert SWIFT 5, Scholar, b Rainhill,
Boarder: Samuel WOODS 33, unm, Toolmaker Empl 6 men & 1 Boy, b Sutton Lancashire
Boarder: William GREEAR 15, Toolmakers Ap, b Eccleston
1868: MARRIAGE - Mar Qtr 1868 Prescot
Emma STEPHENSON & William GREER
1871: Houghton Street, Rainhill, Prescot, Lancashire
RG10/ Piece: 3860/ Folio: 31/ Page: 14/
Head: Elizabeth STEVENSON 59, widow, Wonersh, Surrey
Son-in-Law: William GREER 25, Mechanic, b Eccleston
Dau: Emma GREER 19, married, No Profession, b Knowsley, Lancashire
Grandau: Annie GREER 1, b Rainhill
Son: ALfred STEVENSON 16, unm, Groom gl, b Knowsley, Lancashire
1881: 25 Hamer Street - St Helens, Windle, Lancashire
RG11/ Piece: 3733/ Folio: 50/ Page: 24/
Head: William GREER 34, Engine Fitter, b Eccleston Lane, Lancashire
Wife: Emma GREER 29, b Prescot
Dau: Annie GREER 11, Scholar, b Rainhill
Dau: Emma 9, Scholar, b Rainhill
Dau: Ada Eliz. GREER 5, Scholar, b Prescot
Son: William GREER 4, Scholar, b Prescot
Dau: Alice GREER 2, b Prescot
Son: Stephenson GREER 5 weeks, b Prescot
1891: 25 Hamer Street - St Helens, Windle, Lancashire
RG12/ Piece: 3020/ Folio 31/ Page 55/
Head: William GREER 45, Engine Fitter, b St Helens
Wife: Emma GREER 39, b Prescot
Dau: Annie GREER 21, unm, Tailoress, b Rainhill
Dau: Emma GREER 19, unm, Tailoress, b Rainhill
Dau: Ada Eliz. GREER 16, unm, b St Helens
Son: William GREER 14, b St Helens
Dau: Alice GREER 12, Scholar, b St Helens
Dau: Louisa GREER 7, Scholar, b St Helens
Dau: Mary E GREER 5, Scholar, b St Helens
1901: 56 Argyle Street - St Helens, Lancashire
RG13/ Piece: 3519/ Folio: 184/ Page: 51
Head: William GREER 54, Steam Engine Fitter, b St Helens
Wife: Emma GREER 49, b Huryton, Lancashire
Dau: Annie GREER 31, unm, Tailoress. b Rainhill
Dau: Emma SPASH 29, widow, Tailoress (At Home), b Rainhill
Dau: Alice GREER 22, unm, School Teacher, b St Helens
Dau: Louisa GREER 17, unm, Pupil Teacher, b St Helens
Dau: Mary GREER 15, unm, Pupil Teacher, b St Helens
Dau: Elsie GREER 9, unm, St Helens
Grand-Dau: Gladys SPASH 6, b St Helens
I can't find hide nor hair of Thomas & Mary Ann in 1881, nor Thomas in 1891....? If his POB is stated as Lanarkshire on any Census, it has 2 be one of these two  ( I do see a slightly younger & different Thomas GREER in 1851 in Toxteth Park in 1851 who says his pob was Glasgow Lanarkshire)
Do you know if any of the other children married - Margaret, Thomas or Jane?
Cheers
AMBLY
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AMBLY
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Hi
Aha! Found them in 1891 indexed as GREEN but image says GREER
1891: 3 Clock Face Road - St Helens, Sutton, Prescot, Lancashire
RG12/ Piece: 3026/ Folio 64/ Page 7/
Head: Thomas GREER 73, General Labourer, b Scotland
Wife: Mary GREER 64, b Ashton le Willows, Lancashire
And - what bets, this is them in 1881 - wife's first name has been entered incorrecty in the book?
Indexed as GREEN, but could be either/or.....enumerator has a messy, hurried, handwriting!
1881: 26 Marchall St, Sutton, St Helens, Prescot, Lancashire
RG11/ Piece: 3740/ Folio: 53/ Page: 32
Head: Thomas GREEN 65? (63?), Foreman Pottery, b Ayrshire, Scotland
Wife: Margaret GREEN 56, b Ashton, Lancashire
Dau: Jane GREEN 19, unm, At Home, b Thatts Heath Lancashire
Thomas & Mary Ann and 10 yr old Jane (as well as dau Margaret & son Thomas) were at Thatto Heath in 1871.....
So, Ayrshire?
Cheers
AMBLY
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