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1901 census - Ernest Arthur Sunderland Completed Thank you
« on: Wednesday 04 November 09 23:38 UTC (UK) »
Hello again

Please could someone have a look at the 1901 census for Ernest Arthur Sunderland and his family?

They should be living in Woolley and he should be a gamekeeper. His wife was Lily Ann. By 1901 they had at least 2 children, Doris and Winifred but I'm hoping that there will be another one  Smiley

They had 9 children and I have found 8 of them. Gladys is proving hard to find. I cannot find her on the bmd. Either she was registered under a different name or outside the Barnsley area.

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Re: 1901 census - Ernest Arthur Sunderland
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 05 November 09 00:08 UTC (UK) »
1901 RG13 / 4310 / 54 / 9

Woolley Edge

Sunderland
Ernest  Head  Mar  33  Road labourer (highway)  worker  b Yorks, Woolley
Lily  Wife  Mar  27   Yorks, Dodworth
Gladys  Dau  5  Yorks, Woolley
Doris  Dau  3  Yorks, Woolley
Winifred  Dau  2  Yorks, Woolley

There are at least 2 other Sunderland families living close by - let me know if you want their details

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Re: 1901 census - Ernest Arthur Sunderland
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 05 November 09 00:21 UTC (UK) »
If you look in the 1911 indexes for

Sunderland
b1896 +- 4
Woolley

you get Doris & Winifred in Barnsley and Gladys Muriel in Wakefield.  I don't know if this is any help  Undecided

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Re: 1901 census - Ernest Arthur Sunderland
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 05 November 09 00:24 UTC (UK) »
Hi Linda

Many thanks for that. This is the right family and you have found her  Grin

But Gladys is still a bit of a mystery.

Ernest and Lily Ann were married Q3 of 1896. If Gladys is 5 in 1901 then she must have been born around then. But according to the bmd there are no Gladys Sunderlands registered in 1896 at all. There are 2 in Keighley 1894 and 1897 and 2 in Halifax in 1897.

As far as I know there were no family connections with these areas. The Sunderlands came originally from Emley and LilyAnn (Buckle) was from Dodworth.

Thank you for your offer of the other Sunderlands - I'm pretty sure they are related, probably Ernests brothers. It would help me fill in a few other gaps.
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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 05 November 09 00:55 UTC (UK) »
Ernest & family were Schedule No 60

1901   RG13 / 4310 / 54 / 9

Schedule No 57  -  Woolley Edge

Sunderland
Septimus H  Head  Mar  35  Colliery Engineman  worker  b Yorks, Woolley Edge
Elizth Ann  Wife  Mar  34  Yorks, Emley
Annie  Dau  14  Yorks, Crigglestone
Thomas  Son  13  Trammer (coal mine)  worker  Yorks, Crigglestone
Elizabeth  Dau  11  Yorks, Santingley (?)
Emily  Dau  10  Yorks, Santingley (?)
Arthur  Son  8  Yorks, Woolley Edge
Wilfred  Son  6  Yorks, Woolley Edge
Herbert  Son  2  Yorks, Woolley Edge
Ernest  Son  1 month  Yorks, Woolley Edge


1901 RG13 / 4310 / 54 / 10

Schedule No  65  -  Moorhouse, Woolley

Sunderland  (transcribed as Sanderland)
William Isaac  Head  Wid  50  Colliery labourer (surface)  worker  Yorks, Woolley
Annie  Dau  S  20  Charwoman  worker  Yorks, Birthwaite
Mabel Ellen  Dau  S  18  Yorks, Bretton West
Edith  Dau  S  13  Yorks, Bretton West


1901  RG13 / 4310 / 54 / 11

Schedule No  68  -  Moorhouse, Woolley

Joseph H Sunderland  Servant  S  16  Farm servant  worker  Yorks, Bretton West
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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 05 November 09 01:06 UTC (UK) »
That is brilliant, thank you so much.

Septimus and William are 2 of his brothers. Joseph, I think might be a nephew but I'll need to check.

I knew they had something to do with the pit but I had thought they would be miners.

Thanks again
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Re: 1901 census - Ernest Arthur Sunderland
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 05 November 09 01:15 UTC (UK) »
I imagine Gladys Muriel will be this one:
June Qtr.1895 Buckle    Gladys Muriel       
Barnsley 9c248

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Re: 1901 census - Ernest Arthur Sunderland
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 05 November 09 09:22 UTC (UK) »
Many thanks to all who have helped me with this. My mystery lady has been found  Smiley

Yes that is her. I found her marriage in 1919. But of course she was Buckle, not Sunderland. Although on the census it looks like she was known as Sunderland.

I'm tempted to send for her birth cert to see what it says. Lily Ann Buckle did'nt marry Ernest Sunderland until Jun Qtr 1896. If he was her father would it have been unusual to have that kind of gap?

Could I be cheeky and ask if someone would look at the 1891 census to see where they are and what they were up to
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Re: 1901 census - Ernest Arthur Sunderland
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 05 November 09 21:39 UTC (UK) »
Thought you might like to tie the Sunderlands together

1891  - RG12 / 3769 / 63 / 5 - Sched 15  -  Jobson House, Woolley Edge

Sunderland
George  Head  Mar  60?  General labourer  employed  b Yorks, Elmley
Ann  Wife  Mar  66  Derby, North Winfield
Ernest A  Son  S  24  Gamekeeper  employed  Yorks, Woolley

1881  -  RG11 / 4599 / 82 / 14  - Sched 63  -  Woolley Edge

Sunderland
George  Head  Mar  53  Agricultural laborer  Yorks, Elmly
Ann  Wife  Mar  56  Laborer’s wife  Derbyshire, North Wingfield
John  Son  Unm  23  Cabinet maker  Yorks, Woolley
Thomas Matthew  Son  Unm  17  Agricultural laborer   Yorks, Woolley
Septimus Hodgson  Son  Unm  15  Agricultural laborer   Yorks, Woolley
Ernest Arthur  Son  14  Scholar  Yorks, Woolley

1871  -  RG10 / 4643 / 125 / 16  - Sched 76  -  Woolley Edge

Sunderland
George  Head  Mar  43  Ag Lab  Yorks, Emley
Ann  Wife  Mar  46  Derbys, North Wingfield
William S  Son  Unm  20  Colliery laborer  Yorks, Woolley
John  Son  Unm  13  Colliery laborer  Yorks, Woolley
George  Son  12  Colliery laborer  Yorks, Woolley
Walter  Son  10  Scholar  Yorks, Woolley
Thomas M  Son  7  Scholar  Yorks, Woolley
Septimus H  Son  5  Scholar  Yorks, Woolley
Ernest A  Son  4  Scholar  Yorks, Woolley

1861  -  RG9 / 3442 / 117 / 14  -  Sched  74  -  Woolley Edge

Sunderland
George  Head  Mar  33  Ag Lab  Yorks, Emley
Ann  Wife  Mar  36  Derbyshire, North Wingfield
William S  Son  Unm  10  Scholar  Yorks, Woolley
John  Son  Unm  3  Scholar  Yorks, Woolley
George  Son  2  Scholar  Yorks, Woolley
Walter  Son  11 months  Scholar  Yorks, Woolley

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I'm tempted to send for her birth cert to see what it says. Lily Ann Buckle did'nt marry Ernest Sunderland until Jun Qtr 1896. If he was her father would it have been unusual to have that kind of gap?


I've come to the conclusion that nothing is unusual or even unlikely   Cheesy

I'd be tempted to guess that Ernest might not be Gladys' father.  He's shown as single in 1891, so there was presumably no reason why they couldn't have married sooner.  If Gladys is illegitimate her father may not be shown on her birth certificate.

I'll look for Lily Ann in 1891 next, but if you want any more on the Sunderlands just ask.  They're quite easy to find (as these things go)   Cheesy

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« Reply #9 on: Thursday 05 November 09 22:32 UTC (UK) »
1891  -  RG12 / 3775 / 110 / 37

Ben Bank House Farm, Dodworth

Barnsley
John  Head  Mar  36  Farmer  employer  b Derbyshire, Wirksworth
Elizabeth Annie  Wife  Mar  32  Assistant in farm work  employed  Yorkshire, Dodworth
George Arthur  Son  3  Yorkshire, Dodworth
Jane Annie  Dau  2  Yorkshire, Dodworth
Percy  Son  1   Yorkshire, Dodworth

Lillie Ann Buckle  Visitor  S  18  neither employer nor employed  b Yorkshire, Dodworth
Annie Elizth Dale  Servant  S  17  General servant domestic  employer(!)  Yorkshire, Crowle

Do you think Elizabeth Annie Buckle married John Barnsley??

1881  -  RG11 / 4605 / 40 / 29

Travellers Inn, Dodworth

Buckle
Geo  Head  Mar  45  Innkeeper, Butcher & Farmer of 30 acres  b Yorks, Dodworth
Anne Maria  Wife  Mar  47  Yorks, Barnsley
Eliz Annie  Dau  Unm  22   Yorks, Dodworth
William  Son  Unm  20  Butcher  Yorks, Dodworth
Francis  Son  Unm  18  Clerk in (Registrars Office crossed out) School Board Office  Yorks, Dodworth
Lilly Ann  Dau  8  Scholar  Yorks, Dodworth

Sarah J Elliss  Visitor  Unm  20  Yorks, Barnsley

1871  -  RG10 / 4648 / 49 / 33

Travellers Inn, Dodworth

Buckle
George  Head  Mar  33  Butcher & Innkeeper  b Yorks, Dodworth
Annie  Wife  Mar  34  Yorks, Barnsley
Elizabeth A  Dau  12  Scholar  Yorks, Dodworth
William  Son  10  Scholar  Yorks, Dodworth
Frank  Son  8  Scholar  Yorks, Dodworth
George  Son  6  Scholar  Yorks, Dodworth
Arthur  Son  2  Yorks, Dodworth
John  Son  8 months  Yorks, Dodworth

Lucy Huckett  Servant  12  General servant Yorks, Dodworth

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Re: 1901 census - Ernest Arthur Sunderland
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 05 November 09 23:54 UTC (UK) »
Hi Linda

It's not often you see the  phrase 'easy to find' on here  Grin

Thank you for all the information. I too think that Ernest was not Gladys' father and I think you are probably right that the birth cert will not tell me much more.

John Barnsley was her brother in law.

I have more info on her father George and family. There was a nasty murder of a police officer in the ginnel between his pub and the butchers shop. The inquest was held in the Travellers Inn, which I think is still there.

I'm off to have a good look at the census info. Thanks
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