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deeiluka
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Yesterday a friend and I discovered a very old bible in a little shop in the nearby local town of Victor Harbor. The price was beyond our means but out of curiosity, we went in to see if it had names inside it. Sure enough it did, and the young woman in the shop didn’t realise the names were there. She’d looked in the front of the bible, but not the middle in between the Old Testament and the New Testament.
Very kindly she’s agreed to put it aside until Friday week, on the off chance that we can find a relation who would like it back. (She found it in a garage sale.) We’ve collected quite a bit of information, but I know some of you folks on the Aussie Board have access to records that I don’t.
I also realise that we’ll have to be careful about any possible living people, but we managed to do that on our wonderful Anzac thread, and I’m sure we can do it here too.
In the Bible the following family was documented…….
Ashley Clarke b May 2 1860
Caroline Jean Clarke b Jan 3 1871
d. Mar 15 1900
Married 7th Nov 1895 by Rev JH Goss
children
Edna Laura Clarke b 25 Aug 1896
Name rubbed out b Mar 8th 1900
More to come in the next message.........
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Steeles, Burton, Garrod - Norfolk Bauer - London, France Clarke, Tomblin - Rutland Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, Linnell - Northants Watts - Wiltshire Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp - Germany Redwood -Devon, Essex Blades, Babb- Surrey Selway, Churchill, Chappell - Somerset Watts - Somerset, Wiltshire Button, Archer, Leach - Cambridgeshire Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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deeiluka
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In the records, we’ve found……
Ashley CLARKE aged 35 and single married Caroline Jean BLACK aged 24 and single on 7th November 1895 at the residence of Mrs J Box, Wirreanda.
Fathers = James CLARKE & James BLACK
Ref = Fro 185/561
Ashley CLARKE and Caroline (Carrie) Jean BLACK had the following children……
Edna Laura CLARKE born 25th August 1896 at Laura
Ref = Cla 588/469
Caroline Myrtle CLARKE born 8th March 1900 at Hawker
Ref = Fro 656/142 (the rubbed out name)
We noted Caroline Myrtle’s mother Carrie died just a week later.
Caroline Jean CLARKE aged 29 of Uroonda, husband Ashley, died on 15th March, 1900 at Hawker.
Ref = Fro 268/445
So that backs up all the information from the old Bible.
We’ve also found the following……
Edna Laura CLARKE aged 24 and single married Leslie Mortimer BARNS aged 26 and single on 23rd July 1921 at St Pauls Church, Adelaide.
Fathers = Ashley CLARKE & William Alfred BARNS
Ref = Ade 288/182
We’ve found two births for this couple, but there’s the possibility the daughter is still living.
Keith Ashley BARNS born 17th February 1923 at Elliston.
Ref = Fli 112A/449
Daughter born 1828 North Adelaide
Then these deaths…..
Ashley CLARKE aged 73 and married of Colton died 1st August 1932 at Elliston.
Ref = Fli H 540/434
No relative listed.
Leslie Mortimer BARNS aged 78 of Seacliff Park and husband of Edna Laura BARNS died on 3rd March 1972 at Daw Park
Ref = Ade H 154A/879
From the SAGHS Newspaper notices database....
Edna Laura BARNS A 1978
Keith Ashley BARNS A 2001
We've found some other bits and pieces as well, and started on tracking Caroline Jean BLACK'S side of the family.
What we can't find and really need help with is finding any more information about the daughter Caroline Myrtle CLARKE born in 1900. We've failed to locate any further reference to her ....and we're also wondering about the erasing of her name from the Bible.
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Steeles, Burton, Garrod - Norfolk Bauer - London, France Clarke, Tomblin - Rutland Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, Linnell - Northants Watts - Wiltshire Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp - Germany Redwood -Devon, Essex Blades, Babb- Surrey Selway, Churchill, Chappell - Somerset Watts - Somerset, Wiltshire Button, Archer, Leach - Cambridgeshire Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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deeiluka
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Kris, the Bible is a very very large Presbyterian Bible......quite beautiful though in need of some repair. I wonder if Caroline Myrtle did something to upset her father.  
Dee 
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Steeles, Burton, Garrod - Norfolk Bauer - London, France Clarke, Tomblin - Rutland Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, Linnell - Northants Watts - Wiltshire Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp - Germany Redwood -Devon, Essex Blades, Babb- Surrey Selway, Churchill, Chappell - Somerset Watts - Somerset, Wiltshire Button, Archer, Leach - Cambridgeshire Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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deeiluka
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Hi Raylen. I saw that....and wondered if perhaps her Black family inserted it.
Or perhaps Ashley considered the children too young to be part of it.
Dee
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Steeles, Burton, Garrod - Norfolk Bauer - London, France Clarke, Tomblin - Rutland Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, Linnell - Northants Watts - Wiltshire Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp - Germany Redwood -Devon, Essex Blades, Babb- Surrey Selway, Churchill, Chappell - Somerset Watts - Somerset, Wiltshire Button, Archer, Leach - Cambridgeshire Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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krisesjoint
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Lovely Dee,
Sorry to say I am not finding anything helpful. (found the obit Raylen mentioned)
Perhaps as her birth seems to have taken her mothers life she was not brought up by her father. He certainly would have needed help with a newborn baby and a 4 year old. 
Hopefully something will turn up.
Kris
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deeiluka
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Lovely Dee, Sorry to say I am not finding anything helpful. (found the obit Raylen mentioned) Perhaps as her birth seems to have taken her mothers life she was not brought up by her father. He certainly would have needed help with a newborn baby and a 4 year old. Hopefully something will turn up. Kris
Especially in the part of the country where he was living.. . . . .
Thanks for trying Kris. I might just try a phone call to SAGHS to see if they'll check out the Advertiser death notices from 1984 and 2001....that could give a few clues.
It's a shame that SA Electoral Rolls aren't available like the other states......
The other thing we are doing is working on the BLACK family.....even a descendant of one of Caroline Jean's siblings might be interested in having the Bible.
Dee
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Steeles, Burton, Garrod - Norfolk Bauer - London, France Clarke, Tomblin - Rutland Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, Linnell - Northants Watts - Wiltshire Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp - Germany Redwood -Devon, Essex Blades, Babb- Surrey Selway, Churchill, Chappell - Somerset Watts - Somerset, Wiltshire Button, Archer, Leach - Cambridgeshire Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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krisesjoint
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Hi Dee,
Would like to say I have something good to report but alas I do not. I spent some 4 1/2 hours in the library today but really didn't find anything helpful - my lunch date with daughter and friends ended up mid arvo (giving me more library time) but you would not believe it - I left the bag with my notes in it on the pram so my notes and me are now many miles apart.
I will have to muff my way through this for now. Firstly, I was not able to get Edna's obit as it was not indexed at the library (they index funeral notices not death notices and it was not there) Then again neither was Keith's. I had not logged Keith's date to my notes but was able to get it by going out to the computer room and accessing the Centennial park site. I did not have Edna's date so could not get hers.
Kris
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krisesjoint
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I checked 1900 Advertiser - no birth or death listed.
I found an obit for Ashley Clarke - no family mentioned resident of Elliston Hospital formerly of Uroonda
He appears in the electoral roll for Uroonda (Farmer) from I think 1914. Some entries he is the only Clarke but there are some entries where two other CLARKES appear Sometimes Ashley and ? Milton CLARKE (Farmer and Grazier) and a couple with three - the third was Richard CLARKE Labourer.
I did not find ant record of the daughter Caroline.
Kris
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krisesjoint
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Once I found the Electoral district it was not too difficult to check a few years. I found Ashley in the district of Eyre sub district Carrieton. Given Leslie being of Seacliffe Pk at death I did find him in one entry in the late 60's no occ listed - Thomas Street from memory. I wasn't having any luck so thought I would go back to 1938 (The first books, earlier ones are microfiche) Not too many books really so started going through them and lo and behold I found Leslie and Edna in Colton, Elliston District of Eyre. He was a farmer also Edna H/D. Rearmed I went back to the microfiche and found numerous entries from I think 1922-4 to 1949? at same address - Son Keith appeared in 1946. -Farmer also.
I do not believe Keith married - nothing in his obit to suggest a family. Leslie and Edna had 1 son and two daughters. Both daughters married but alas I only had husbands first names. There was an index to marriages in Eyre for later than we can readily access, but I could not find them listed so suspect the marriages were after the family left Colton. (Leslie and Edna did not appear in 1950 Elliston or later from memory)
Just spoke to my son who is going to go to my daughters to pick up my notes on his way home but alas as I said really have not achieved anything helpful.
Kris
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deeiluka
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Many thanks for all that effort, Kris. I appreciate it.
It seems that to track a direct descendant of Ashley and Caroline is going to be a very long shot.
I'm not going to give up just yet though. I found out that the garage sale was indeed local and I am going to browse the phone directory to see if any of the family names come up with that address.
I've also made big advances today with putting together the families of Caroline Jean (Black) Clarke's brothers and sisters....she had half siblings as well.
Thanks again......
Dee
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krisesjoint
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Morning Dee,
Obits
CLARKE: On 1 Aug at Elliston Hospital, Ashley Clarke late Pine Grove Uroonda aged 73 years. At Rest
BARNS Leslie Mortimer: On Feb 3 at Repat Hospital, dearl beloved husband of Edna Laura, Loving father of Keith, Valerie and Dorothy, father in lae of Roy and Scott, dear pappa of Robert, Geoffrey, Susan, Barbara and Jane. aged 78
Funeral notice mentions Leslie of 31 Thomas St Seacliffe ex 105 Battery Australian Artillery, 1st AIF (Sorry it was Leslie in the AIF not Keith - will remove above)
BARNS Keith Ashley: On Jan 14 2001 peacefully at QEH, beloved son of the late Edna and Mort BARNS and loving brother and brother in law of Valerie and Roy and Dorothy and Scott. Loved uncle of Robert, Jeffrey, Susan, Barbara, Jane and families
Funeral conducted at graveside Fri 19 Jan Centennial Park General C
Charles Berry and Son
198-204 Magil Road
Norwood
Cheers Kris
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deeiluka
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Oh thankyou , Kris.....so there was another daughter for Edna Laura. 
Lots of thoughts going through my head now. That obit. for Keith Ashley is the nearest thing to a real lead we have.....if I can find out who held the garage sale, there may be a link. It was held by a middle aged couple, so could well be one of Edna Laura's grandchildren.
Dee
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krisesjoint
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Electoral roll
Colton district of Eyre subdistrict Elliston 1922-1949
Leslier Mortimer BARNS - Farmer
Edna Laura BARNS Home - Duties
1946 Keith joined them - Farmer
31 Thomas St Seacliffe Park 1969 Leslie and Edna
Uroonda District of Eyre subdistrict Carrieton
CLARKE Ashley
1915 the only one
1916 and 1917
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CLARKE Albert Milton (Farmer and Grazier
CKARKE Richard John - Lab
1918-1924 remove Richard John
1925-1927 Just Ashley.
1930 Barnsdale District Eyre Subdistrict Elliston
CLARKE Ashley - Retired Farmer
Cheers Kris
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