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Huwcyn
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Peter Williams+ Anne of Cilcain Circa 1810
« on: Thursday 05 November 09 19:12 UTC (UK) »
My g-g-grandmother was born in  the Cilcain/mold area on Christmas day in 1816. She was the illegitimate child of Peter Williams 'Hesp ? ' , a servant, and Anne 'Frondeg' . I cannot find a record of any subsequent marriage between Peter and Anne . I cannot find either a record of Anne's subsequent marriage to the Rev John Richard Chambers in 1843 in Holywell.
                Can anyone help me with this query, please ? .  I do not know the area at all , I'm afraid
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Re: Peter Williams+ Anne of Cilcain Circa 1810
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 05 November 09 19:25 UTC (UK) »
Hi
1843 Jun 1/4
North Wales BMD gives a marriage at Holy Trinity Gwernaffield, Flintshire
John R Chambers to Elinor Williams  Huh

http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi?county=northwales
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wilcoxon
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Re: Peter Williams+ Anne of Cilcain Circa 1810
« Reply #2 on: Friday 06 November 09 18:34 UTC (UK) »
Looks like either Anne changed her name or she didn`t marry the Rev.
Eleanor is from the right area and born about the same time. Huh

Gwernaffield and Cilcain are very close.
http://www.multimap.com/maps/?zoom=12&countryCode=GB&qs=CH75DT#map=53.17235,-:-

RG9; Piece: 4303; Folio: 43; Page: 32
1861 Pensaron ? Chapel House, Llanwrst.
John R Chambers 48 Wesleyan Minister of Horeb Chapel b London.
Eleanor wife 45 b Mold b 1816/17
Eleanor dau 15 b Pwllheli
Hannah dau 12 b Llanwrst.
Emily dau 8 b Dolgellau
Heber  H son 6 "
George P son 3 b Denbigh
Arabella S dau 2 mths
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Re: Peter Williams+ Anne of Cilcain Circa 1810
« Reply #3 on: Friday 06 November 09 19:05 UTC (UK) »
1871 RG10/3725, f.53, pg.13
Eleanor Chambers is a widow and living with her children in Cheshire.

So it doesn't look as though he remarried later in life. Sad
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Re: Peter Williams+ Anne of Cilcain Circa 1810
« Reply #4 on: Friday 06 November 09 19:44 UTC (UK) »
Terribly Sorry - my typing mistake - J R Chambers did indeed mary Eleanor. Its her mother Anne's marriage that eludes me (If it indeed ever took place ).
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Re: Peter Williams+ Anne of Cilcain Circa 1810
« Reply #5 on: Friday 06 November 09 21:20 UTC (UK) »
Where is Ysceifiog ? . I've managed to look at an 1851 census record today, and a Peter/Anne Williams of around an appropriate age are living there
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Re: Peter Williams+ Anne of Cilcain Circa 1810
« Reply #6 on: Friday 06 November 09 22:07 UTC (UK) »
If you look at the link of the map, just above Cilcain is the A541, to the left is Ysceifiog.
All very close.
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Re: Peter Williams+ Anne of Cilcain Circa 1810
« Reply #7 on: Friday 06 November 09 22:14 UTC (UK) »
I see it now- I forgot that there was a linked map there earlier. It certainly looks very close to Cilcain ,and a high probability of a match . What parish would it be in ? - Is it a parish in itself ?
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Re: Peter Williams+ Anne of Cilcain Circa 1810
« Reply #8 on: Friday 06 November 09 22:17 UTC (UK) »
1851
HO107; Piece: 2500; Folio: 663; Page: 5;
This has John as being born Kilken  = Cilcain, so it certainly could be.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/FLN/#index
this will give you details on Flintshire parishes, many  in that area are very small, and each has it`s own chuch.
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Re: Peter Williams+ Anne of Cilcain Circa 1810
« Reply #9 on: Friday 06 November 09 22:41 UTC (UK) »
Thank you very much indeed for your help.
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Re: Peter Williams+ Anne of Cilcain Circa 1810
« Reply #10 on: Friday 06 November 09 22:43 UTC (UK) »
Where did you get the details on Ellenors birth from. Huh

Looking  at the 1851 census, the eldest son was born 1819 Kilken/ Cilciain so I guess that`s the place to look for the marriage, also all children were  born there.
Perhaps Hayes marriage index will find  them , not available online unfortunately.
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Re: Peter Williams+ Anne of Cilcain Circa 1810
« Reply #11 on: Friday 06 November 09 23:07 UTC (UK) »
I think my father got it from somewhere a long time ago.
It must have been some sort of parish record , but I'm not sure which.
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Re: Peter Williams+ Anne of Cilcain Circa 1810
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 07 November 09 14:18 UTC (UK) »
North Wales Chronicle Aug 4 1844 Death
On the 29th ult at Pwllheli , Ellen Cordelier infant daughter of the Rev John R Chambers , Wesleyan Minister Pwllheli
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Re: Peter Williams+ Anne of Cilcain Circa 1810
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 08 November 09 17:41 UTC (UK) »
That's something I never knew. He did have 8 other children.
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Re: Peter Williams+ Anne of Cilcain Circa 1810
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 08 November 09 18:07 UTC (UK) »
Cilcain marriages have been transcribed  by Clwyd FHS for 1754/1843 so if PeterWilliams and Ann married there you should find them.
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