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Topic: Wendron Parish Registers - ROBERTS (Read 149 times)
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Charcinders
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I am looking for information on a marriage:
John ROBERTS m. Eleanor HODGE, Wendron 5 March 1835
The above info comes from an online family tree and I have not been able to confirm the date or place. It does not turn up in the IGI or the Cornwall OPC site.
Specifically I would like to know whether the groom was a widower.
Many thanks in advance.
Chris
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osprey
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there is a John Roberts marriage on that date, but to Eleanor Oppy. Although it's looks like Eleanor was a widow as there'a baptism in Wendron in 1828 to Peter & Eleanor Oppy. And Peter Oppy married Eleanor Hodge 30/10/1823 in Wendron.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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Charcinders
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Thank you Osprey.
If she was a widow I suppose it makes it more likely that he was a widower also. Ah! That's why I couldn't find the marriage, I was searching for wife's surname = HODGE!
I think John's first wife was Mary Bosanko, they married Feb 1832, and she died Jan 1834. I think they had a daughter Grace, but the only thing that doesn't quite tie in is that Grace was baptised in May, about 4 months after Mary died.
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osprey
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but if she had died, would she be mentioned on the baptism? And she seems to be according to the record on the opc site. Wonder if it's worth checking with the opc or the record office what the wording on the baptism record is?
http://www.cornwall-opc.org/Par_new/t_z/wendron.php
http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=14710
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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Charcinders
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Just wrote a long and detailed reply and lost it due to forum timeout 
Thanks for the link to the documents ordering service, I'll order the relevent entries.
I should explain that the reason I want to be sure John of Halabezack is Grace's father is that there is another John and Mary, a mining family, living at Carnbone a couple of miles from Halabezack, and Grace's baptism falls neatly into a gap between two of their children's baptisms. I have not yet ruled out that my Grace may be one of their children.
If I can find evidence that John was married before he married Eleanor, then that adds credence to him being her father.
My info on her baptism comes from a transcript of the register, which did not state that Mary was deceased, but did state that the father was of Halabezack. Without that bit of information I would just have assumed that Grace was a child of the other Roberts family.
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does the 1841 census help any?
Carneborne, Wendron HO107/139/5 folio 38 pg 14
John Roberts 38 tin miner
Mary 40
John 15
Philip 14
Edward 8
Mary 5
William 3
all born in county
baptisms for all the children except John on the opc search site. William (Henry) is their second William, the one baptised 1830 appears to have died.
Halebezack, Wendron HO107/139/5 folio 52 pg 17
John Roberts 33 tin miner
Elenor 35
John 5
Elinor 4
Elizabeth 3
Jane 1
/ Thomas Opey 16 copper miner
Peter Opey 14 copper miner
John Opey 12 copper miner
all born in county
Eleanor's sons from her first marriage are in the same household by the looks of things.
No sign of a Grace though. There are a couple of around about the right age in the surrounding area - one in Sithney and one in Crowan both with probable mothers called Grace. Father of the one in Sithney was William according to the opc search site and she married in 1861.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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osprey
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Is that your Grace in a Bosankoe household in 1841?
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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Charcinders
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Is that your Grace in a Bosankoe household in 1841?
Yes, I think so.
Also, there is a Grace Roberts living in Halabezack who I think is John's Mother. It all fits together, just need the last piece of the jigsaw!
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Have you thought to order a microfilm copy of the parish records at your nearest LDS centre? You might be able to 'reconstruct' the various family groups from the records.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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Charcinders
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I just got the register copies from the Cornwall Record Office.
There is no mention of John (or Eleanor) being a widow(er) in their marriage record, but we know that Eleanor was a widow, so that does not rule out John being a widower.
More importantly, in Mary Robert's burial record, it says that she lived in Halabezack, so I think that makes her John's first wife, and Grace's mother, for certain.
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