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Topic: Marriage not found in GRO indexes... (Read 548 times)
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trish1120
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My Amazing Mother 1912-1982
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Excellent work Hammerman 
Freereg ony goes to 1937.
Cheers,
Trish 
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All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukCummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND) |
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Hammerman
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The 1901 Census shows another child, Michael, born 1900. FreBMD shows he died in 1902 (aged 2). So that's 7 children, of course there may well have been another between Patrick and David (1888-1891).
Croptop, have you looked on Ancestry at the Immigration records? I see that there were certainly several Daniel and Johanna Collins coming from America but my subscription won't tell me the dates. If there are it might have the cousins name as well.
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Greensmith - Greasley, Nottinghamshire
Rigley - Nottinghamshire
Wightman - Nottinghamshire
Lee - Nottinghamshire
James - Berkshire (maybe Gloucestershire)
Lyons - London
Harrop - Prestbury, Cheshire
Rockett - Middlesex
Chandler - Lambeth, Surrey (maybe Norfolk)
Gates - Middlesex
Clark - Islip, Oxfordshire
Richards - Gouldhurst, Kent
Bent - Redbourne, Hertfordshire
Angel - Throwley, Kent
Coker - Middlesex
Bailey - West Lavington, Wiltshire
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croptop
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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A possible death entry,
Dec 1938
Johanna COLLINS age 76 Deptford 1d 796
This age fits if she was born in 1862.
Also a rough search of the 1911 Census shows Daniel and Johanna with possibly 6 of their children still at home. On here Johanna's age is shown as 46 (born 1865) but as usual all such dates should be given an error margin.
Hi Hammerman
As I am trying to learn, can you tell me where you found this entry? It sounds a perfect match to me, but I cannot find it myself and would like to see how you found it please?
Croptop Martin
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Nightingale & Collins in Kent 1850-1920's
Battley in Margate & Norfolk.
Ray in Newington London.
Atkins in Hastings & Rye East Sussex.
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croptop
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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The 1901 Census shows another child, Michael, born 1900. FreBMD shows he died in 1902 (aged 2). So that's 7 children, of course there may well have been another between Patrick and David (1888-1891).
Croptop, have you looked on Ancestry at the Immigration records? I see that there were certainly several Daniel and Johanna Collins coming from America but my subscription won't tell me the dates. If there are it might have the cousins name as well.
I can confirm that Michael did indeed die at a young age, from trying to drink direct from a kettle or teapot. Johanna took him on the bus to hospital (an expensive trip for her) but he was either DOA or died shortly afterwards. I can remember my grandfather John b1893 frequently telling me and my sister off if we went anywhere near the teapot or kettle; obviously this event was a strong one from his childhood memory of his younger brother dying by a tragic accident.
I will indeeed try my Ancestry subscription.
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Nightingale & Collins in Kent 1850-1920's
Battley in Margate & Norfolk.
Ray in Newington London.
Atkins in Hastings & Rye East Sussex.
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croptop
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Also a rough search of the 1911 Census shows Daniel and Johanna
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1911 census???
I didn't think that the 1911 census would be available until 2012 - 100year rule of secrecy and all that... Where is it then?
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Nightingale & Collins in Kent 1850-1920's
Battley in Margate & Norfolk.
Ray in Newington London.
Atkins in Hastings & Rye East Sussex.
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madpants
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Old Pants for Mum44
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The 1911 is on find my past, you can search for free but to get a transcript or see the image you need either credits or a subscription.
http://www.findmypast.com/CensusChooseSearchType.jsp
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GREENWELL - Middlesbrough
TURNBULL - Houghton le Spring, Coxhoe, Spennymoor
DEVEY - Pentonville, Stockton, M'bro
MOHAN/HUN - Stockton on Tees
SCRAFTON - Darlington
BROADBENT - Saddleworth, Ashton Under Lyne
HEMSWELL - Grantham, M'bro
SIMPKINS - M'bro
SIMPKIN - Little Wratting, Suffolk
MALLALIEU - Saddleworth, Ashton U L
GOODWIN - Macclesfield Forest
SUTCLIFFE - Heptonstall, Ashton U L
PLIMMER - Pontesbury, Ashton U L
CAMBRIDGE - Goulborne, Ashton U L
SIDDALL - Ashton U L
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Hammerman
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As madpants says, the 1911 census is available now. To see the images you have to subscribe or buy credits, roughly £3.50 to see the original page. Your local library might sell the vouchers for the credits. It's been released early with certain sensitive imformation hidden. It's fairly easy to do a rough search if you known cerain details.
If you click on the "Search the 1911 census" tag at the top left of the page.
Scroll down to the "Show advanced fields" button and press.
You have to fill in one of the first two areas, either 'First names' or 'Last name'. So put 'COLLINS' in the last name part.
You can fill in anything else you know for certain but in this case scroll down to the 'Other members of the household' area. By putting 'Daniel and Johanna' in the 'First names' box here it will search for all COLLINS households with a Daniel and Johanna living there.
Press search and it finds 12 people, obviously the Greenwich ones are your faMILY
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Greensmith - Greasley, Nottinghamshire
Rigley - Nottinghamshire
Wightman - Nottinghamshire
Lee - Nottinghamshire
James - Berkshire (maybe Gloucestershire)
Lyons - London
Harrop - Prestbury, Cheshire
Rockett - Middlesex
Chandler - Lambeth, Surrey (maybe Norfolk)
Gates - Middlesex
Clark - Islip, Oxfordshire
Richards - Gouldhurst, Kent
Bent - Redbourne, Hertfordshire
Angel - Throwley, Kent
Coker - Middlesex
Bailey - West Lavington, Wiltshire
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Hammerman
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Of course, any mistakes with spelling COLLINS, Daniel or Johanna will result in failure so be aware of possible mistakes on your ancestors or transcribers part. Luckily all spelt right in this case.
As for the death entry. On Ancestry you can check the GRO death entries that haven't yet been transcribed by FreeBMD. You need to check the four quarters for each year. Luckily I found the entry in 1938 and as you say it looks like the perfect match, but there may be others after this I didn't check, so don't take anything as correct until you check it and get the certificate!
FreeBMD are indexing the other indexes now, they add more every month. I suspect the 1937/1938 will be added in the next few months as they are already entering 1936.
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Greensmith - Greasley, Nottinghamshire
Rigley - Nottinghamshire
Wightman - Nottinghamshire
Lee - Nottinghamshire
James - Berkshire (maybe Gloucestershire)
Lyons - London
Harrop - Prestbury, Cheshire
Rockett - Middlesex
Chandler - Lambeth, Surrey (maybe Norfolk)
Gates - Middlesex
Clark - Islip, Oxfordshire
Richards - Gouldhurst, Kent
Bent - Redbourne, Hertfordshire
Angel - Throwley, Kent
Coker - Middlesex
Bailey - West Lavington, Wiltshire
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