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tracyfamily
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Sure could use some help. My earliest ancestor in America was a Lt. Thomas Tracy. For well over 100 yrs. there has been a question as to his true parents. Too many researchers have used information to suit their own particular desires.
My Thomas Tracy is "said" to have been born circa 1610 and landed in America (Salem, Massachusetts) around 1636, possibly arriving on a ship of Winthrop's Fleet out of Bristol. He is "said" to have been born in Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England. I have seen other references to his place of birth as Hailes Abbey. Some say his father was Sir Paul Tracy of Stanway whose father was Richard Tracy, Esq. Sir Paul Tracy m. Anne Sharkerley and Richard Tracy, Esq. m. Barbara Lucy. If so, Thomas Tracy probably would have sailed directly to America from Bristol.
Others say his father was William Tracy, Esq. of Toddington whose father was Sir John Tracy. William Tracy, Esq. m. Mary Conway and Sir John Tracy m. Anne Shirley (Sherley). William Tracy was involved with the settlement of the Berkeley (Barkley) Colony in Virginia. William and maybe his wife were killed by Indians and his son, Thomas Tracy, survived and is "said" to have returned to England circa 1623. I would guess if he is my Thomas Tracy, he would also have sailed to America from Bristol.
My Thomas Tracy is "said" to have referred to a Richard Tracy as his grandfather. My own Tracy line's verbal history refers to Thomas Tracy's father as having been created a Baronet in 1611 - which could only have been Sir Paul Tracy.
What I need is some verifiable proof as to his parents. Should you require additional information please do contact me.
I would appreciate your kind consideration to help.
Tracy
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Thomas Tracy has also been "said" to have been born in Stanway. Further, one researcher stated the handwriting of the Thomas, son of William Tracy, Esq (VA) is very much differrent from the Thomas Tracy of whom I am seeking information.
It would seem to me there must be some trace of my Thomas Tracy in England circa 1600 to 1635.  
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tracyfamily
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Chas,
Thank you for your reply.
The very first record of my Thomas Tracy in America is when he acquires property in Massachusetts in 1636. Exhaustive searches have been made here in America for earlier information without success. From 1636 on, I have loads of definitive information. My interest is in determining (with absolute proof) his parents in England as has been the desire of many genealogical researchers for well over 100 years.
The fact is that he was born in England to parents in England. Therefore, England is where I must continue my "worrying". If I had more specific data, I assure you, I would present it here.
In all the years (since 1965) of my genealogical researching I am sorry to say that information from LDS is often full of errors as to people and dates.
And, no, Thomas Tracy was not a Roman Catholic.
Again, thank you very much for your response.
Regards,
Tracy
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tracyfamily
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Chas,
I have checked every possibility on the IGI site. And everything I could find on the Parishes where he might have been born. Absolutely no luck.
There is an LDS location nearby where I live and have checked there as well.
I guess it means I will have to keep searching and try everything I can think of. That is what I have been doing for many, many years.
I truly do appreciate your trying to help and I thank you sincerely.
Regards,
Tracy
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PrueM
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Hi Tracy 
Have you seen this website? http://www.winthropsociety.com/home.php
The Winthrop Society means to document the lives and family histories of all these first settlers and their descendants to the fourth generation (to about the year 1700). Our scope of study is the Massachusetts Bay Colony, and not the Plymouth Colony: kindred spirits already ably handled by The Society of Mayflower Descendants and others
I thought they might be able to help you with early documentation etc.
Have you looked for a will for Sir Paul Tracy, to see if Thomas is mentioned in it? Likewise have you checked any publications such as Burke's Peerage and Nobility, for a genealogy of the Tracy family?
Just some idle thoughts...
Cheers
Prue
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) BIGG (Kent) BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) BRISBANE (Fife) DANKS (STS) DOBSON (BRK) FRANCIS (ESS) GOODE (HAM) HAYNES (Cork) INGRAM (MDX, SOM) LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray) MORRISH (LND) NANCARROW (CON) OGILVIE (Moray, LND) STRATHDEE (LND, Banff) - SWAN (Fife)
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tracyfamily
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Hello Prue 
I have previously checked the Winthrop Society site and checked out all ships and settlers listed. I also checked out all the ships/passengers listed under Winthrop Fleet of 1630 which covered many years but I reviewed only those from 1630 to 1636 with no luck.
Also, I do have a copy of Sir Paul Tracy's will, and out of 21 children (and a Thomas is one of them) listed in the Visitation of Gloucestershire 1623, he mentions just two daughters and his successor, Richard Tracy. There is also a codicill mentioning a son, Nathaniel, but no others. I also have a copy of my Thomas Tracy's will, but that is of no help since there is no mention of parents or a wife, just all his children.
I really do appreciate your helpfulness. If you happen to think of anything else I might have missed, please let me know.
Best regards,
Tracy
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tracyfamily
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Chas,
Thanks again, but no luck on my Thomas Tracy.
I have found the original will (as opposed to a translation) of Sir Paul Tracy's will, but am having terrible trouble reading it. Some words I can make out but not sure of the thoughts behind them. There is a reference to a Thomas Tracy in a codicill that also mentions Nathaniel Tracy. Now to find someone who can decipher that old writing.
Tracy
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tracyfamily
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That original will of Sir Paul Tracy's has a beginning note that it is a "crown copyright". Is there any way I may post it and still be in compliance with the the site's requirements?
The first page makes reference to the "Record Office, National Archives". Then it shows a "(c) crown copyright" while at the bottom it shows "Catalogue Reference: prob/11/148" and "Image Reference 544". I sure do hope by just mentioning the source of the will is not in violation of the site's requirements
Tracy
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PrueM
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Hi Tracy,
You can post just sections of the will here for people to transcribe - post on the "Deciphering and Recognition Help" board:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,425.0.html
Cheers
Prue
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) BIGG (Kent) BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) BRISBANE (Fife) DANKS (STS) DOBSON (BRK) FRANCIS (ESS) GOODE (HAM) HAYNES (Cork) INGRAM (MDX, SOM) LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray) MORRISH (LND) NANCARROW (CON) OGILVIE (Moray, LND) STRATHDEE (LND, Banff) - SWAN (Fife)
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tracyfamily
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I have been trying for days to figure out how to send the site or just part of Sir Paul Tracy's will without success. I have it stored in my Pictures category, but feel it would be unwise to post the location in my Documents. I do not know what else to do.
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PrueM
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Tracy,
You will need some kind of graphics program which can handle PDF files.
If you'd like, you can email the file to me and I'll crop it and post it, if you tell me which bits you're interested in
I'll send you a Personal Message with my email address.
Cheers
Prue
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) BIGG (Kent) BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) BRISBANE (Fife) DANKS (STS) DOBSON (BRK) FRANCIS (ESS) GOODE (HAM) HAYNES (Cork) INGRAM (MDX, SOM) LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray) MORRISH (LND) NANCARROW (CON) OGILVIE (Moray, LND) STRATHDEE (LND, Banff) - SWAN (Fife)
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