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Eliza WILLIAMS, parents Susannah WORNES and John WILLIAMS 1860's
« on: Friday 06 November 09 09:00 UTC (UK) »

Looking for any assistance in locating information on Eliza Williams, who was born about 1864 in New Brunswick, Canada and whose parents were John Williams (sailor) b. in Jersey, 1830 and mother Susannah Wornes (Warnes) born in England about 1833. The parents had at least two other children, Stephen Williams (b abt 1853) in Australia and a sister, Amelia, born about 1860 in New Brunswick, Canada.

Any further information on this family would be welcomed as I am putting together a family history report for a descendant in Australia. Eliza Williams married Edward Albert Batson in 1891 in Albury, NSW.

Thank you.

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Re: Eliza WILLIAMS, parents Susannah WORNES and John WILLIAMS 1860's
« Reply #1 on: Friday 06 November 09 22:24 UTC (UK) »

Hi there,

In the 1903 Electoral Roll (the first year that females were included, but it was not compulsory to enrol).... at the polling place of Bowna, (its near Albury, NSW), there's the following people with surname BATSON... (listing is alphabetical, and is NOT by household)..

Edward, living at Tabletop, occupation boundary rider;
Fairley, (a female), living at Bowna, occupation domestic duties
James Valentine, living at Tabletop, occupation labourer,
William, living at Bowna, occupation boundary rider

Still looking for Eliza....

JM
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Re: Eliza WILLIAMS, parents Susannah WORNES and John WILLIAMS 1860's
« Reply #2 on: Friday 06 November 09 22:33 UTC (UK) »

Found them on the 1903 roll!

Same electorate as the ones mentioned in my first reply... but at different polling place.

At Gerogery polling place, in the parliamentary seat of Hume...

There's
Bridget Batson, a female living at Gerogery, domestic duties
Edward Batson, a male living at Ellerslie, a boundary rider
Eliza Batson, a female living at Ellerslie, domestic duties
William Batson, a male living at Gerogery, a boundary rider.

Do you have details of their children?

JM

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Re: Eliza WILLIAMS, parents Susannah WORNES and John WILLIAMS 1860's
« Reply #3 on: Friday 06 November 09 22:45 UTC (UK) »

Bit More

Also, on the NSW State Archives there's an index reference to an Edward Batson in 1886
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/keyname_search.asp

Cheers,

JM
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Re: Eliza WILLIAMS, parents Susannah WORNES and John WILLIAMS 1860's
« Reply #4 on: Friday 06 November 09 22:51 UTC (UK) »

Bit More...

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369703.0.html

On that thread you will find there's some very very good resources.

If you decide to obtain transcripts of NSW BDM certificates, I suggest you use a transcription agent, as that is cheaper, quicker and reliable.  There is a thread on the NSW resources board here at RChat..

Sorry, I just realised WELCOME to Rchat.... its just the best place to get help with family history searchings...

JM
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Re: Eliza WILLIAMS, parents Susannah WORNES and John WILLIAMS 1860's
« Reply #5 on: Friday 06 November 09 23:00 UTC (UK) »

Hello Jim and welcome to Rootschat,

Children of Edward Albert and Eliza BATSON all born Albury New South Wales
1. Annie J b 1891 d 1944 Albury
2. Edward Albert b 1892 d 1976
3. William Thomas b 1894 d 1968 Corowa
4. Thomas H b 1895 d 1895 Albury
5. Eliza B b 1896
6. Agnes a b 1897 d 1898
7. Mabel G A b 1899 d 1899
8. Florence M b 1901
9. Reginald H b 1902
10. Bridget D b 1904
11. Roy W b 1907 d 1928

Edward Albert BATSON d 1949 Corowa-parents Thomas William and Bridget Dora
Eliza BATSON d 1930 Albury-parents John and Susannah

William T BATSON m Mata A FROHLING 1919 Albury
Edward A BATSON m Josephine C FRAUENFELDER 1930 Albury
Annie Josephine BATSON m Henry Theodore FROHLING 1917 Albury
Florence M BATSON m Benjamin T DALE 1928 Albury
Bridget D BATSON m Jack GARDINER 1927 Albury

I live near Albury and most of these families are still in the area. If you need more help let me know.
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Alison
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Re: Eliza WILLIAMS, parents Susannah WORNES and John WILLIAMS 1860's
« Reply #6 on: Friday 06 November 09 23:06 UTC (UK) »

Hi there,

On a submitted tree there's the following names of children of Edward and Eliza.... 

Just noticing that Alison has posted similar details.... 

Annie J Batson 1891 – 1944
Edward Albert Batson 1892 – 1976
William Thomas Batson 1894 – 1968
Thomas H Batson 1895 – 1895
Eliza B Batson 1896 – 1948
Agnes B Batson 1897 – 1898
Mabel G A Batson 1899 – 1899
Florence Batson 1901 – 
Reginald H Batson 1902 – 1998
Bridget D Batson 1904 –
Roy Williams Batson 1907 – 1928

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Re: Eliza WILLIAMS, parents Susannah WORNES and John WILLIAMS 1860's
« Reply #7 on: Friday 06 November 09 23:28 UTC (UK) »

Amongst the many excellent resources at the top of the board -
 - Australian Resources - NSW Resources - include online searchable bdm's for NSW.  You may like the registration numbers for your research.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm

May I ask what information you require for your friend, as you  mention a descendant in Australia who may have already covered the Australian family history of Elizabeth and Edward, or are you looking for Elizabeth's siblings and parents?

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Re: Eliza WILLIAMS, parents Susannah WORNES and John WILLIAMS 1860's
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 07 November 09 04:59 UTC (UK) »

On my version of the NSW 1903 electoral roll it shows the address of Edward and Eliza as Ellerslie [? a property name] and town Splitter's Creek.  If you google maps you will see is an rural locality slightly north west of Albury.  They are the only BATSON's enrolled in the division of Hume with an entry in the "Address" column. 

I mention this as there is place called Ellerslie north east of Albury but in 1903 was not in the Electoral Divison of Hume.

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Re: Eliza WILLIAMS, parents Susannah WORNES and John WILLIAMS 1860's
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 08 November 09 08:09 UTC (UK) »

Hi there,

I'm looking at the Commonwealth Electoral Roll for 1903.... perhaps the boundaries were different from the NSW Roll...  not sure... but anyways, at the Gereogery Polling Place and under the heading "place of living" for "Ellerslie" there's also:

Alfred Edward JOHNSON, a trapper...

I'll try to find Splitter's Creek mentioned on the roll...

Cheers,

JM
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Re: Eliza WILLIAMS, parents Susannah WORNES and John WILLIAMS 1860's
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 08 November 09 10:37 UTC (UK) »

Hi everyone,

Thank you very much for all your information. It has been well received. I will now compile what I have and get back to the group if I have any further queries. One question that someone may be able to enlighten me about is I have a Margaret Brogan, daughter of James Brogan and Elleinor Horan, both from Ireland. Margaret was born in Ireland about 1821. She marryied Michael Murphy in Sydney on 10 Jun 1836. I have three children borne of this marriage. One of which is Bridget Murphy.

The query I have is that I have two separate possibilities of who she married.
1 - William Davies Wales, married on 10 Jan 1858 in Yackandanda, NSW.
2 - William Batson who married about 1866 or so in the Gundaroo area.

The latter marriage has never been found.

I have documents on the children of William Batson and Bridget Murphy.


Any suggestions as to which might be the correct marriage?  I am unsure where Yackandanda is regarding Goulburn area.

Thanks

Jim
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Re: Eliza WILLIAMS, parents Susannah WORNES and John WILLIAMS 1860's
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 08 November 09 11:31 UTC (UK) »

Hello Jim,

Yackandandra is very close to Albury. If you put it into Google Maps, that'll give you an idea how close it is.


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Re: Eliza WILLIAMS, parents Susannah WORNES and John WILLIAMS 1860's
« Reply #12 on: Monday 09 November 09 02:44 UTC (UK) »

Hello all,
Yackandandah is actually in Victoria. It is 33kms SW of Albury.
Regards
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Re: Eliza WILLIAMS, parents Susannah WORNES and John WILLIAMS 1860's
« Reply #13 on: Monday 09 November 09 03:05 UTC (UK) »

Hi again,
The marriage I found on Vic BDM:
William WALES m Bridget MURPHY 1859 # 465
There are no children listed to this couple in VIC.
Children in NSW
1. Anne b 1850
2. Robert b 1853
3. Thomas H b 1855
4. Michael b 1858 Binalong
5. William b 1860 Yass
6.George b 1861 Binalong
7. Joseph b 1862 Binalong

Regards
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Keetley-England-New Zealand
Other names: Collis, Williams,Courage, Andrew, Ransome, Gore.
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Re: Eliza WILLIAMS, parents Susannah WORNES and John WILLIAMS 1860's
« Reply #14 on: Monday 09 November 09 03:39 UTC (UK) »

There is a death for William D WALES listed on NSW BMD site, 1908 Cootamundra, parents William and Eliza.

Also two deaths Bridget WALES, both with parents John and Mary
one registered Young, 1901
other registered Cootamundra 1918.

Given that there are the two deaths reg at Coota it is possible that this is the couple married in Vic.  The Vic marriage index doesnot give a place of birth for either party.  You could download the certificate for about $17 which SHOULD give info about their parents.

There are a number of deaths ofthe children found by Alison on the NSW BMD site from 1859 in Binalong to 1938 in Coota, with others in Booroowa and Yass which are all reasonably close.

If we could find some actual dates for these I'd be happy to look them up in the newspaper - the Coota Herald has some great obits but I need a date  Sad


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