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Topic: Archway and Divorces (Read 407 times)
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Jean Price
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Posts: 370
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Hello All,
I should ask at Archives, but they are closed today.
Are all early divorces recorded on Archway?
I have several people who marry two or three times but I can not always find a death for the spouse.
For example Percy Thomson married Alice Louise Willcox 30 July 1914.
Shen then marries Horatio Bonar 31 March 1928.
Where has Percy gone?
I have checked all NZSOG Indexes, Archway, Commonwealth War Graves
Any suggestions most welcome.
Thank you,
Jean
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johnbarr
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Hi Jean,
I was curious about an aunt that married in 1903 and again in 1908 - without any trace of a death or divorce. 
I contacted BDM and was advised that at that time, divorces were processed through the Courts, and the Courts did not pass on records to BDM, and many Court records for that period are now lost. So the conclusion was that a divorce had probably been processed but no record has survived.
Subsequently, I found a death for the first spouse - in 1935.
Hope this helps.
John B
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Lucy2
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi Jean
Just adding that Divorces which were processed through Courts in the Wellington area, are not listed on Archway.
Archives NZ - Wellington, have an in-house database of these though, so perhaps an email enquiry to them, may be worthwhile ?
[It doesn't always follow, that because a couple lived in a particular area, that divorce proceedings were initiated in that place. Quite often one of the parties moved to a different locality and so a divorce may have have been processed through a Court in a different town.]
Lu
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Lucy2
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Hi again Jean
I take it that you don't have either of the marriage certificates ?
If the first marriage to THOMSON had ended in divorce, then a copy of the marriage certificate would be endorsed with that information.
[The second marriage certificate would (as long as the bride had volunteered the information), record her "status" as a divorcee ... or note the date of her divorce].
I'm guessing that you have "other" information which confirms that the Alice Louisa WILCOX * (married THOMSON) and the Alice Louisa THOMSON (married BONAR), are the same person ?
Lu
[* Recorded as "WILCOX" - with one "ell" on marriage index]
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Jean Price
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Hello all,
I contacted Archives NZ Wellington, and have received a very good explanation re early divorce records.
Archives do suggest that I get either marriage record and see where that leads me.
Do you think I should copy this response here, or perhaps to our Resources Board.
Moderators - if you are reading this, please advise.
Jean
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Jean Price
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This is the reply I received.
Because it mentions the names I am interested in I did not think I was capable of translating it into general terms.
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Thank you for your enquiry regarding Percy and Alice Thomson. Unfortunately the nature of divorce records means that I cannot confirm whether Archives New Zealand holds a divorce record for this couple.
This is because divorce records are categorised as records of the court in which proceedings were filed. It is usually necessary to consult a register of divorces to locate an entry for a couple (for example our finding aid, Archway: www.archway.archives.govt.nz might list that a box contains Wellington High Court divorces 1930/50 - 1931/100. We would need to locate the reference in the register to know that file 1930/75 dealt with the couple sought).
The best course of action would be to search for either the Marriage certificate of Alice and Horatio or the entry in the registers on intentions to marry. Both sources should confirm Alice's marital status, and if she was divorced there should be a stamp stating when and where Alice and Percy divorced. Unfortunately this stamp was not always applied, or was applied to the intention to marry register entry instead. But (if it exists) this stamp would confirm the necessary details to confirm and locate a divorce record.
Archives New Zealand can undertake a search request of the National divorce registers 1914 - 1933: (CL 169) for a charge of NZ $25.00. A divorce file itself might be held at Archives New Zealand, but there is a high possibility that the record would be held at a regional office of Archives New Zealand.
My suggestion would be to pursue the Marriage Certificate (Alice and Horatio) from Births, Deaths and Marriages at this point. If you wish to request Archives New Zealand undertake a search of the registers of intentions to marry (NZ $8.00), or the divorce registers (NZ $25.00) we can advise you of payment options.__________________
Jean
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leandra
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Hi,
I just wanted to say (slightly off topic) I recieved a divorce file today from Wellington Archives, I was in two minds whether to get it or not but Lu persuaded me  It had alot of information I was not expecting, little handwritten notes, a photograph, marrige certificate and best of all a birth certificate for a child I didn't know existed  He was the reason for the divorce, being an illegit. More leads to follow.
Leandra
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Dale
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I have seen some quite "recent" divorces (1960s) on Archway does anyone know what the policy is regarding folk who might still be alive?
Seemed to me getting close to invading the privacy of ttheir families as well as those involved!
Dale
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HUNTS: Fairy, Ding, Scotney, Swinton, Burgess, Brace
BEDS: Farey, Fairy, Young, Rootham, Gell, Wildman, Cooper. Deighton, Flavel.
NORTHANTS: Hills, Mobbs, Twelftrees,
DERBY: Fairey,
LONDON: Fairey, Fairy, Burgess, Williams, Tanser, Picknell, Vinall, Plampin, Mullins, Day, Folwell, Bamfield, Brown
WATFORD HERTS; Burgess, Williams
WARKS: Fairy, Ward, Stephens, Reeves, Hodgkiss, Byrne, Hunt, Edgeworth, Harper, Dudley,
WORCS: Callow, Lowe
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newbe_nz
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A divorce file from 1960 would be accessible until 2020
The only other way to get access would be to apply to the court where the divorce was held.
so 1961 would be 2021 etc
Hope this is of help
Newbe_nz
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Dale
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Wow! If I live to my 90s I might be able to read my own file!
Scary!
Dale
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HUNTS: Fairy, Ding, Scotney, Swinton, Burgess, Brace
BEDS: Farey, Fairy, Young, Rootham, Gell, Wildman, Cooper. Deighton, Flavel.
NORTHANTS: Hills, Mobbs, Twelftrees,
DERBY: Fairey,
LONDON: Fairey, Fairy, Burgess, Williams, Tanser, Picknell, Vinall, Plampin, Mullins, Day, Folwell, Bamfield, Brown
WATFORD HERTS; Burgess, Williams
WARKS: Fairy, Ward, Stephens, Reeves, Hodgkiss, Byrne, Hunt, Edgeworth, Harper, Dudley,
WORCS: Callow, Lowe
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KiwiBrennan
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RootsChat Aristocrat
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Aha
Just found this on Archway:
W5450 and W5521 - All Coroners reports from 1979 onwards are open, with the exception of restricted documents in sealed envelopes. Documents in sealed envelopes are restricted for 50 years from the year of registration on the grounds of personal privacy.
Bren
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