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Oletta
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Mary Murray
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I am trying to find burial location for Mary Murray who died 6 April 1937, aged 72. Have tried sending for her death certificate in Scotland and England but not success. Mary was born 14 May 1865 at a place called Everton, Canonbie. Her parents where James and Margaret Murray (nee Scott) she had three brothers James, William and Alexander (Alexander was my great, grandfather). On the 1881 census Mary was unmarried aged 16 years working as a General Servant for Edward Griffiths, who lived at 31 Devonshire Place, Everton, Lancashire. Then on the 1891 census I think I have found Mary still single working as a servant for William Gracie and family, living at 303 Edge Lane, West Derby (rural), St John the Divine, Lancashire. Then I find nothing, I persume she married but where and when? I think she married Thomas Fraser (Frazer) as I know he died on the 12 Oct 1908 aged 51 but do not know where? I cannot sent for his death cert as I do not know where he died or his last place of residence.
Would be grateful for any information on the above people
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winston
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Oletta
Hope you don't mind me asking, but how certain are you that the Mary Murray in the 1881 is yours?
Wendy
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Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBlakeley in Batley West Yorks Turner in Hanging Heaton West Yorkshire Dann last known area Soothill West Yorks Hirst in Hanging heaton W Yorks Moss in Morley and Leeds Parker in Morley W Yorks Parker in Hull E Yorks Tilburns in Morley W Yorks |
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Oletta
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Thank you for your message. When my great uncle died my father found a box of photographs and inside was a photograph of a Mary Murray's headstone. I am unable to locate cemetery. The headstone reads : -
In Memory of Thomas Fraser who died 12 Oct 1908 aged 51 years. Also of Mary Murray widow of the above who died 6 April 1937 aged 72 years. R. I.P.
My gread uncle attended his neice's funeral.
I believe that the 1881 census with Mary Murray on is correct
Kind regards
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MonicaLesl
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I wonder if one of the reasons we are not seeing the marriage or death for Thomas and Mary is that they may have married and died in Guernsey. There is nothing showing for marriage/deaths on Scotlands People or FreeBmd. There is however a 1911 census entry for a Mary Fraser b. 1866 in Canonbie, widow, in Guerney that might be worth following up.
Monica 
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MonicaLesl
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From general searches on the 1911 census index, there are a number of children showing in the household with Mary Frazer. I am wondering whether Thomas' marriage to Mary may have been a second for him. The eldest child showing in 1911 shows here with father in 1891 Scotland:
Thomas Fraser 33, Color Sergeant Infantry, b. Inverness Inverness-shire
Bertha Fraser 25 b. Channel Islands, Guernsey
Clifford Fraser 1 b. Channel Islands, Guernsey
Charles Watkins 23, sergeant b. England
Address: Military Barracks Aberdeen, Castlehill, Aberdeen
The other children, Amelia b. 1894, Ian b. 1896 and Grace 1900 also show as born in Aberdeen. Young Amelia shows in Guerney in 1901 perhaps at maternal grandparents RG13; Piece: 5318; Folio: 19; Page: 1
Scottish birth certificates will include date and place of marriage for the parents if you are interested in tracing back Thomas Fraser and first wife's family. Likely to have been in Guernsey/Channel Islands given Bertha and son Clifford's birth place.
I wonder if young Amelia was living with maternal grandparents in 1901 because mother Bertha had died by now? Last potential child Grace Marian's birth shows in Alford Aberdeenshire in 1899. Gives you a possible window to search for a marriage for Thomas and Mary Murray.
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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Thomas and Bertha still in Scotland in 1901:
Thomas Fraser 43, Serg Instructor (volunteers) b. Petty Inverness
Bertha M Fraser 36 b. Guernsey England, St Andrews
Clifford L Fraser 11 b. Guernsey England, St Andrews
Jan E Fraser 5 b. St Nicholas, Aberdeenshire
Phyllis B Fraser 3 b. Alford, Aberdeenshire
Grace M Fraser 1 b. Alford, Aberdeenshire
Jeannie Berry 17, servant
Address: Bank Cottage, Alford, Aberdeenshire
So the question now is, when and where did Bertha die and how/where/when did Thomas and Mary meet and marry 
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winston
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Nice one!
Amelia 1901 was with her maternal grandparents I tracked their names to the early census where Bertha was still at home with them in the 1871 census.
Would be nice if this proved to be the family.
Wendy
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Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBlakeley in Batley West Yorks Turner in Hanging Heaton West Yorkshire Dann last known area Soothill West Yorks Hirst in Hanging heaton W Yorks Moss in Morley and Leeds Parker in Morley W Yorks Parker in Hull E Yorks Tilburns in Morley W Yorks |
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MonicaLesl
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I don't have a subs to the 1911 census so just been playing around with the searches. The children don't seem to show as (step) daughter/son to Mary so not sure how this has been written up on the original entry. But we do have a Mary Fraser born at the right time in Canonbie, showing as a widow and head of household with the children belonging to a Thomas Fraser....so I am hopeful it is the right Mary too
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winston
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HI
I do have access and they are transcribed as stepdaughter and stepson but as you say on transcript it doesn't give the game away
The address looks like Damouettes Lane Peter Port Guernsey.
wendy
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Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBlakeley in Batley West Yorks Turner in Hanging Heaton West Yorkshire Dann last known area Soothill West Yorks Hirst in Hanging heaton W Yorks Moss in Morley and Leeds Parker in Morley W Yorks Parker in Hull E Yorks Tilburns in Morley W Yorks |
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MonicaLesl
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Thanks for confirming Wendy
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Oletta
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Hi Wendy
Have some more information on Mary Murray. I Sent for her marriage certificate in Gurnsey. She married on the 8 March 1906 Thomas Fraser's occupation was as a grocer, living at Havilland, St Peter Port. His father was Thomas Fraser, occupation as a wood merchant. Mary Murray was at major age working as a house keeper also living at Havilland, St Peter Port. Her father was James Murray occupation as a farmer. This all seems right for Mary except where it says condition she is also a widow the same as Thomas. When i wrote for the marriage i asked to see if either of them had wills just to find out more about the children. Mary has a will of Realty and a will of Personalty, both different and registered in different courts. And Thomas has a personaly will.
As for Thomas he was born on the 1 June 1857, Lochindinty, parish of Petty in the County of Inverness. His parents where Thomas and Anne Fraser nee Mackillicau. But his fathers occupation was as Lawyer, in the marriage cert he his a wood merchant. I also looked up one of his children Grace Marion Fraser born in Alford and shows that Thomas's wife full name was Bertha Marion Fraser nee Mass they where married on the 10 September 1888 in Downpatrick, Ireland. Regards Oletta
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