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Topic: Tracking down the White family from South Shields? (Read 269 times)
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Rachael89
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Hi Everyone
I'm trying to find out abouta family by the name of White, even though I know most of their first names it's proving to be incredibly difficult - it's such a common name! I have been looking, but I have to mainly try guess work and am wasting a lot of my credits on incorrect guesses. Could anyone with a subscription do a bit of digging for me? This is what I know:
Father: Thomas Parker White
Mother: Mary Ann Hunter
Children:
Jane Ann White (b. circa 1888 (possibly a few years later? 1894 at the latest), in South Shields)
Evelyn White
Margaret White
Ethel White
Charlotte White
Robert White
Elizabeth (Lillian?) White (b. 1911, South Shields)
There were ten children altogether (I don't quite know all the names), and as you can see there was a very large gap age between the oldest and the youngest.
The main problem is that I don't know the date of births of the parents, and as they both have such common names it's almost impossible to discover them!
Any efforts would be deeply appreciated.
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SooCatt
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Hi there
Do you already have the marriage?
Thomas Parker White - Mary Ann Hunter 1892 March 1/4 South Shields (GRO ref 10a 927)
This would mean they were married after the earliest date that you have for Jane Ann?
I'll take a look at the 1901 census.
 Susan
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Rachael89
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Thank-you, yes I found that - it was very confusing though, because Jane Ann was my great-grandmother and I was always under the impression she was born in 1888 (though that's probably me making leaps of faith, my great-grandfather was born in that year!)
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SooCatt
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There is a birth registered in Gateshead for Thomas PArker White in 1872 so this could be them in 1901 although its a Mary E rather than a Mary A
Lamesley RG13 4704 f91 p6
Thomas P White Head M 30 coal hewer Durham Gateshead
Mary E White Wife M 29 Durham Easington
Jane Annie dau 8 Durham South Shields
Frances dau 5 Durham South Shields
Margaret dau 3 Durham South Shields
Sarah J A dau 1 Durham Lamesley
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SooCatt
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Assuming this is them in 1901 there is a corresponding birth for Jane Annie in South Shields 1892 June 1/4 ref 10a 836
Obviously the birth cert would confirm whether or not she is the right Jane Annie.
There is also a birth for a Thomas Parker White in Dec 1/4 1901 in Chester le Street (Lamesly comes under Chester-le-Street)
Susan
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Rachael89
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That's them - thank-you very much! I've discovered that Thomas's family had an obsession with the name Parker, I've just found them on the 1881 census (his date of birth is incorrect, so I struggled to find it) and all seven members of the family have that as there middle name, male and female - even the wife. It's completely bizarre.
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SooCatt
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It is definately bizarre for the wife to have that middle name too. Unless, rather than a middle name. it's supposed to be a double-barrelled surname so that she married Thomas 'Parker-White' but that wouldn't explain them being simply 'White' later on. I suppose it could have been an assumption on the part of the enumerator. Were the children all registered/baptized with the Parker middle bit?
Susan
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Rachael89
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Hi, all of the children except the first, Susannah, were christened with 'Parker' as their middle name. All of them (except Susannah again) married with that name as well. It seems to have been a tradition, for on the 1911 census Thomas Parker's wife also gains Parker as a middle name.
Susannah is very frustrating, because although I found a marriage record for her (June 1888, South Shields) there is only one husband listed on the page (a chap called McGuinness) for two women and it dosen't appear to be hers.
Another weird thing is that I went back and found James Parker White (Thomas's father) on the 1861 census when he was still living at home. He was living with his mother, Sarah and two brothers, John and Thomas. There was a gap of nearly 10 years between the birth of each child, and Sarah was listed as 'unmarried' - no sign of her being a widow. It's very strange.
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SooCatt
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If James' mother was unmarried suggesting Thomas was illigitimate - perhaps Parker was the name of his father? Just speculating obviously.
On the 1871 census James and his wife and daughter Sarah are simply 'White' no Parker or even initial P. His two brothers with him are also just White.
It's definately a bit of a conundrum!
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Rachael89
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Ooh, you found him on the 1871? Could you please post a transcription? Thanks!
It's very annoying, the inconsistency I mean. Even though it's weird, having 'Parker' as the middle name really narrows it down from a sea of Whites .
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SooCatt
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Glad to
Sheriff Hill West Side Union Place RG10 5062 f14 p21
James White H M 32 Coal miner Durham Hylton (could possibly be Ryton but looks more like Hylton)
Frances White W M 24 Northumberland Forth Banks
Sarah A White dau 1 Durham Sheriff Hill
William White brother 21 plasterer Durham Felling
Thomas White brother 13 scholar Durham Sheriff Hill Cripple
They are next door to the Three Tuns Public House which might help you if you like to track down locations.
Susan
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Rachael89
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That census is remarkably useful, as it turns out that 'Susannah's' name was, as the 1871 census indicates, Sarah. There's a birth regisrtered for a Sarah A P (!) White, and a marriage for her was here among the following entries:
Mills George Gateshead 10a 901
Pace Anne Gateshead 10a 901
Parker-White Sarah Ann Gateshead 10a 901
Stubbs John Gateshead 10a 901
White Sarah Ann P Gateshead 10a 901
It looked like the Parker issue resulted in some monumental confusion!
However, if she was married in 1885 that would make her only 15 years old. Was that even legal back then?
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SooCatt
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I'm glad the census info was useful.
You may find that if you order Sarah's marriage certificate that she 'raised' her age. I have a girl in my lot who married 3 weeks before her 16th birthday but the cert says she was 18!
There surely can't be two lots of Parker Whites trying to confuse everyone - can there? 
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Rachael89
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Nah, I expect that's probably an administative error. Two lots of Parker-Whites would create a genealogists' living hell!
That's probably what occured. Her date of birth was pushed back by a year in the 1891 census, to make it look like she had her first child at 18 rather than 17 (not that it makes a huge diffirence!)
Have you been able to find any concrete trace of William or Thomas after the 1871 census? Thomas interests me a lot, mainly because he's the first member of my family I've come across who's listed as being disabled.
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Hi Rachael
I've had a quick look at the 1881 and 1891 and can't see any likely candidates for either Thomas or William but bear with me and I'll have a bit more of a dig later on.
 Susan
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