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lucybella
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Thomas Rodgers missing granduncle
« on: Saturday 07 November 09 20:14 UTC (UK) »

Hello

I know this is a long shot, but my grandfather's brother Thomas Rodgers from Belfast Northern Ireland, went missing in September 1941 from Hay NSW Australia.  He had enlisted in the army in May 41.  He was a veteran of WW1, and service in India also.

I just thought there may be a chance he went to New Zealand.  He was born in 1898, and would have been around 43 at the time of his disappearance.

There are some Thomas Rodgers listed in the death index, but no dates of death, so I cannot judge the age of the person.  There is a phone number, but as I am in Ireland it would be difficult to phone.

Any help would be appreciated

Lucy
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Re: Thomas Rodgers missing granduncle
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 07 November 09 21:22 UTC (UK) »



There are some Thomas Rodgers listed in the death index, but no dates of death, so I cannot judge the age of the person. There is a phone number, but as I am in Ireland it would be difficult to phone.



Hi Lucy

All the Thomas RODGERS' listed on the New Zealand Death index between 1941 and 2000, at least have "age at death" recorded alongside.    However, even by deducting this age from the "year of death", none seem to fit the bill for a person who was born circa 1898.

http://bdmhistoricalrecords.identityservices.govt.nz/

Lu


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Re: Thomas Rodgers missing granduncle
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 07 November 09 21:29 UTC (UK) »

The closest is born 1896 if the death cert is accurate!

1966/43909 Thomas Alphonsus Rodgers 70yo

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Re: Thomas Rodgers missing granduncle
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 07 November 09 21:38 UTC (UK) »

Are you sure about his missing date?

Date of discharge here is 1946 and dob 1896

http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/veteran_certificate.asp?VeteranID=317773

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Re: Thomas Rodgers missing granduncle
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 07 November 09 21:45 UTC (UK) »


Thread on Australian board  > >

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,386065.0.html

[Plus ... another thread "Electoral roll" search - topic now locked ??]
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Re: Thomas Rodgers missing granduncle
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 07 November 09 21:49 UTC (UK) »


  He was born in 1898


Mmm ... 1898  ... or 13/2/1896 (as per your query on the Australian board.    Huh

Edit:   Noting that correction to year of birth (1898) was made mid-way through the (Oz) thread :

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Re: Thomas Rodgers missing granduncle
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 07 November 09 21:49 UTC (UK) »

So it has already been answered Roll Eyes
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Re: Thomas Rodgers missing granduncle
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 07 November 09 22:12 UTC (UK) »


So it has already been answered Roll Eyes


Not sure what is meant by this ?

The New Zealand search request, is though separate to the query on the Australian board.

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Re: Thomas Rodgers missing granduncle
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 07 November 09 22:19 UTC (UK) »

Sorry Lu

I meant all the Australian info had been given already!

Hopefully the NZ death is a match for her.

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Re: Thomas Rodgers missing granduncle
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 08 November 09 00:09 UTC (UK) »


The closest is born 1896 if the death cert is accurate!

1966/43909 Thomas Alphonsus Rodgers 70yo

Annie



Hopefully the NZ death is a match for her.

Annie

Hi Annie

Hmmm ... but there is a New Zealand marriage in 1925 for this Thomas Alphonsus RODGERS  ... and if I read the Australian thread correctly, then the Thomas RODGER's being sought, was elsewhere at that time. ??

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Re: Thomas Rodgers missing granduncle
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 08 November 09 00:30 UTC (UK) »

Thank you all so much for your replies!
I did not notice the year of death was in the first column, on the death index.

I have been searching for Thomas Rodgers for the best part of a year now - it was a family mystery often mentioned when I was young.

I found his army records in Hay - and it seems he went missing in Sept 1941, according to the records, even though his name appeared in 1946 on the army list.   It struck me that he could have travelled to New Zealand.
His actual date of birth is 13/2/1898.  This is transcribed on the army records as 1896 which could be a mistake in the transcription between the 8 and 6, or a deliberate misinformation by Thomas.   The death of a 70yr old in 1966 is very close, though, and I am definitely going to purchase the certificate to find out more!
I am wondering if there are any other searchable sources, electoral rolls etc, during the years 1941 to 1966 in New Zealand?
If anybody could think of anything else I would be most grateful.
Lucy
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Re: Thomas Rodgers missing granduncle
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 08 November 09 00:43 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Lucy 2

We have posted at the same time, posts crossed.

The marriage is a bit disappointing, my hopes were up!  I am not able to pinpoint where Thomas was in 1925.  He recieved a 'Malabar' medal (India) in 1925 but these may have been issued after service ended - not sure..

I was hoping the middle name Alphonsis was one perhaps taken up at 'confirmation' as he was baptised in the catholic church.

It just made sense that if he left the army illegally he may have gone to New Zealand.  I thought I was on track for finding long lost cousins....Smiley
Thanks again
Lucy
ps  Spelling Rodgers as Rogers there are more possibilities, but it's 1am here now, so have to leave it until tomorrow.
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Re: Thomas Rodgers missing granduncle
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 08 November 09 00:54 UTC (UK) »


Sorry Lucy  ... a little further checking, tells me also that  Thomas Alphonsus RODGERS was born in New Zealand.

Lu
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Re: Thomas Rodgers missing granduncle
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 08 November 09 02:48 UTC (UK) »

Lucy

If he left the army illegally, he might well have changed his name to not be found Cry

Annie
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Re: Thomas Rodgers missing granduncle
« Reply #14 on: Monday 09 November 09 22:38 UTC (UK) »

Thanks everyone for the replies.

Yes, he may well have changed his name, anything is possible.   All I can do is search for the name I know, in the hopes of finding a death certificate somewhere...

Lucy2  Could I ask you how to do the 'further check' (place of birth, marriage year,)  as I would like to do it on the results for the name 'Rogers' on some of the possibilities that come up with that spelling. 

It just might turn up something...

with thanks again
Lucy
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