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Patsy Beech
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Hi Folk,
I am trying to research a branch of my family who came from Orkney, and on the 1851 census they were living at Louttits Pier, Stromness. Robert Brass, possibly born in Sandwick, had married Catherine Louttit on the 9th November 1826. The children I have found on the IGI are as follows:-
17th October 1826 Margaret, baptised 3rd December 1826
17th October 1827 Margaret
30th November 1828 Catherine, baptised 21st December 1828
30th November 1829 Catherine
There seems something strange about the above entries is there any way of checking for mistakes in transcription?
11th August 1831 Tomima [Tommia] Robertson
20th August 1834 Jessie
13th October 1836 Robert
4th September 1842 James
30th November 1847 Jane
The family moved to Tyneside between 1851 & 1861 and the youngest daughter Jane married John George Douthwaite on 6th March 1876 in Queen Street Chapel, South Shields and on her wedding certificate it gives her name as Jane Amm [Ann?] Hourstain [Hourston?] Brass - the bits in brackets are my guess work!!!!!
Now also on the IGI I have found a Peter Loutit marrying a Jean Hourston, but I cannot find them having a daughter named Catharine which would have fitted my theory as to why Jane had a middle name Hourstain. I would really like to take the doubt and guess work out of the family tree and any suggestions of how to do so would be greatly appreciated.
Also has anyone any idea where Louttits Pier might have been?
Happy Searching,
Patsy
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akc
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Hi!
on 1851 census at louttits pier, stromness:
robert brass 51 sailor born sandwick
catharine brass 48 born sandwick
margaret seamstress 24 b stromness
catharine servant 22 b stromness
tomima 19 servant b stromness
janet 16 scholar b stromness
robert 14 scholar b stromness
james 8 scholar b stromness
jane 3 b stromness
on 1821 census at upper voy, sandwick
thomas louttit 41 farmer
william 21
catharine 19
margaret 17
robert 12 at school
jannet 9 at school
there is no mother mentioned on this census
also on 1821 census at quoys, sandwick;
mary 54 widow nee brown
marion 25 strawplaiter
jannet 24 strawplaiter
mary 23 strawplaiter
catherine 22 strawplaiter
betty 16 strawplaiter
on 1871 census at new quoys sandwick:
catharine louttit head aged 70 unmarried stocking knitter born sandwick
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Patsy Beech
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Hi akc,
Thank you very much for the information especially the records going back to 1821. I did not know there was a census that far back so I have learned something new today.
I think this next bit of information could either muddy the waters even further, but with fingers crossed it just might confirm which Louttit family Catherine came from!
As I said previously the Brass family moved to the North East of England by the time of the 1861 census, and Catherine [nee Louttit] can be found living with her daughter Jessie [by now Mrs. Lockyer] & son James Brass.
RG9/3786 Folio 13, page 14,
1 Lower Thames Street, Westoe, South Shields, District 3.
Catherine gives her place of birth as Stromness, Orkney Isles unlike the Scottish 1851 census which gives her place of birth as Sandwick, and by 1861 she is widow, but I don't know where or when Robert had died.
Also on the 1861 census for Hartlepool there are more of her family.
RG9/3700 Folio 81, page 3 Olive Street, Hartlepool, District 13e
Francis Walter - head - married - 46 - master mariner - Scotland
Jessie Walter - wife - married - 46 - Scotland
Margaret Rosswell [Rosewell] - sister-in-law - married - 48 - seamstress - Scotland
Jane H. Brass - niece - single - 13 - Scholar - Scotland
From the BMD Margaret Loutitt married Mark Rosewell during the quarter ending March 1853, Stockton 10a 108 so I think that the Jessie Walter & Margaret Rosewell would have been Catherine's younger sisters. The Jane H [Hourston] Brass is the one who grew up to marry John George Douthwaite and started this search in the first place!
Unfortunately when I look at the census returns in sequence the ages do not progress in neat 10 year gaps so I am not putting much faith in their accuracy! However if Margaret was aged 48 in 1861 it would give an approximate DOB of c1813 whereas the Margaret on the 1821 census taken at Sandwick would give a birth date c1803. The more I look at the information the more confussed I am getting!!!!!!
Are there any old maps of the Orkney Isle which might show where Louttit's Pier was once located?
Thank you once again for your help it really is appreciated.
Best Wishes, Patsy
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gortonboy
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From the 1770s, whaling fleets bound for the Davis Strait began to hire crew in Stromness - the young Orcadian men sought for their skills in handling small boats. The connection between Stromness and the whaling industry continued well into the 1900s.
By now Stromness parish had a population of almost 3,000 people and 385 dwelling houses. The main street was rough, muddy and narrow. Measuring only 12 feet at its widest point, the street shrank to as little as four feet in places. But to a town that relied so heavily on the sea this narrow road was not really a problem.
By this time many stone piers jutted out from the western shore of Hamnavoe and most of the larger houses along the west side of the street had their own pier and boat.
As you can read from this excert,,,some of the houses had thier own pier,,,so maybe louttits pier was simply the pier attached the house where he lived,,,??
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Patsy Beech
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Dear gortonboy & akc,
Thank you for your continued help with the Brass and Louttits families. The description of Stromness back in time and now is very helpful and interesting. I was also interested in your comment about another Brass family in Louttits House - do you have a date for that information please?
I have had a look on Scotland's people today and found the Brass family on the 1841 census (all except for Robert whom I suspect may have been at sea) living at North End which I am guessing is near the main street.
1841 030/00012/00009
Catherine Brass - 35 - Straw Platter - Yes
Margaret Brass - 12 - Straw Platter - Yes
Catherine Brass - 10 - Straw Platter - Yes
Tomima Brass - 8 - Yes
Janet Brass - 6 - Yes
Robert Brass - 4 - Yes
Today I have sent for a copy of the marriage certificate between Margaret Loutitt & Mark Rosewell in Stockton 1853, and have my fingers crossed that might shed some light on who Margaret's father was, and therefore that also would be Catharine's dad. There appear to be many different ways of spelling the name Louttit - Loutitt - Loutit - Lowtit etc. but I am guessing they all originate from the same family - am I right?
By the way do you know what the platted straw was used for? It must have been a very important part of life on the Isles because so many people were occupied in that way.
I was in Scotland last year looking at the Orkney Isles from the Castle of Mey and thinking how rough the stretch of water was over to the isles, but I now wish I had taken the ferry despite being a terrible sailor!!!!!!
Thank you once again for all your time and trouble.
Best Wishes,
Patsy
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akc
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Hi again, on the 1851 census at Louttits House were:
margaret brass head married 38 dressmaker husband at sea
mary 17 daughter unmarried dressmaker
peter son 15 carpenters apprentice
james 13 son scholar
margaret 6 daughter
john 4 son
anne 1 daughter
all were born in stromness
I think a lot of the spelling depended on the individual who was registering the birth
the straw was used for different things i.e tying down straw and hay stacks and roofs, also for furniture
The sea crossing is not too bad if you come across in the summer there is a crossing that takes 45 mins, june is the best time, it is light all day and most of the night
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Patsy Beech
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Thank You akc for the new pieces for the jigsaw. They certainly look as though they are going to fit in somewhere as they are all the right names in the right places. I am going to work on the theory that Margaret Brass and Catharine Brass are sisters-in-law both having seamen for husbands, and see where that leads me.
It is interesting that another Peter Louttit married a Margaret Hourston, perhaps the Peter Louttit who married Jean Hourston on 27th November 1800 was their son, and he thought if a Hourston was good enough for dad then it's good enough for me!!!!!!
Our son lives in Helsinki which is just about on the same latitude as the Orkney Isles, and it took us a while to get used to the amount of light during the night on our first summer visit there. In fact we have just returned from a quick trip to Finland a couple of days ago, and we left in a snow blizzard so a bit of a contrast to summer time!
Thank you once again for all your pieces of information, I am keeping them safe as I am sure they are all going to fit together somehow.
Best Wishes,
Patsy
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Patsy Beech
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Thank You Gortonboy,
I had not come across that website before, and it is sure fascinating. I now know there are over 50 ways to spell Louttit!!!!!!!!! Also the family spread far and wide around the world even having bays in Australia named after them. I really do enjoy this family search and I am always amazed at just how much information is shared.
Best Wishes,
Patsy
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akc
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Hi there, I was in stromness today and spoke to the lady in the little bookshop, she was born in stromness, she told me that the site where the new pier arts centre is sited is where louttits quay used to be, it started as louttits quay then was re-named ( I cant remember what she said it was called) and then it turned into the new pier arts centre.
another little book about stromness i found had this; "in the 1820s for example, the well to do lived scattered through the town from peter louttit at the pierhead" etc etc ( which is very close to the arts centre)
if you google stromness and find a map the pier arts centre is marked( it is very popular with tourists and locals )
also in the book: straw work for the women was a product of war conditions. foreign straw could not be obtained by the hat makers to adorn the fashionable ladies in the south. hence british products had to be used. great numbers were needed to split and plait the straw ready for the bonnet makers; in 1827 seven stromness straw manufacturers employed 2 men and 196 women and girls in the burgh and a further 73 in the parish-20% of the female population aged 10 or above.
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Patsy Beech
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Dear akc,
Thank you so much for making enquires about Louttits Pier, and all the information about the straw and the uses it was put to. I had never given much thought to where the straw came from to make hats etc, but it all makes perfect sense now you mention it. I expect that men's straw boaters were also made from it.
My next move is to go to multimap and have a look at Stromness, it really does help to know what to look for.
Thank you once again for taking the time and trouble to ask other people also, and please pass on my Thanks to the lady in the bookshop.
Best Wishes,
Patsy
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Patsy Beech
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Hi it's me again folks.
Today the marriage certificate that I sent for arrived and here are the details:-
12th February 1853 at the United Presbyterian Chapel of Hartlepool.
Mark Rosewell & Margaret Loutitt.
Both 43 years of age.
Condition: Widower & Spinster
Mark was a Mariner.
He lived at Throston & she lived at Alfred Street, Hartlepool.
His father was Peter Rosewell - Lighterman
Her father was Henry Loutitt - Farmer
Witnesses were Thomas Malcomson & Jane M. Frazer.
So insted of solving a few mysteries I feel as through I have just driven into a brick wall!!!!!! This means that the father of the three sisters was Henry Loutitt [Louttit]
Catharine born c1803 & married Robert Brass 9th November 1826 - Stromness
Margaret born c1810 & married Mark Roswell 12th February 1853 - Hartlepool
Jessie born c1815 & married Francis Walter[s] no date or place found so far, but she was married before the 1851 census taken in Everard Street, Hartlepool - district 10g (HO107/2384 Folio 445 page 40).
Now on the IGI I have found a marriage between Henry Louttit & Catharine Taylor on 22nd November 1798, Birsay, Orkney, Scotland which could be a possibility, but I cannot find any children for Henry and Catharine at all on either the IGI or Scotland's People. Any suggestions gratefully received, and would Birsay be a farming community?
On the 1841 Scotland Census for Gossegar, South Ronaldsay, St. Mary Ed:2; page 3, Roll CSSCT1841 -4-0452 I have come across a Henry Louttit aged 40 married to a Margaret aged 30. Their children are Catharine aged 10, Elizabeth aged 3, and James aged 5 and wondered if this Henry could be son to Henry Louttit & Catharine Taylor and therefore older brother to the three sisters? Did people move around the islands much trying to find work etc?
I seem to have many pieces for the family puzzle, but I am not at all sure the pieces are all from the same puzzle!!!!!
Thank you for taking the time to plough through this little lot.
Best Wishes & Happy Searching to All.
Patsy
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