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Alice Hall
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I am trying to find the parents of Alice Hall, who was born about 1800.
She was married 18 March 1826 to Charles Philpott in Hursley Hampshire.
I have got a copy of the marriage register from Hampshire Council and it states that Alice was a widow at the time of her marriage.
So I don't even know what her maiden name was.
Charles Philpott was born in Hursley in 1800, so I am assuming that Alice was also born around that time.
But with no maiden name I don't know how to proceed.
Please can someone let me know what I should do next, or do I just have to make Alice a dead end on my family tree?
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Little Nell
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Assuming that she lived in Hursley before her first husband's death, I think he was Edward Hall.
A couple by the name of Edward and Alice Hall had at least three children baptised in Hursley between 1812 and 1822. Unfortunately I've not found a marriage for them so I can't check her maiden name. 
Did Charles & Alice have any children after 1 July 1837? If so, get the certificate - it should give both of lice's names: maiden and former married name.
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An Edward Hall was buried at Hursley on 14JAN1823 aged 28
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The only children I have found so far are :- Alice Florence (born 1827), Isabella (born 1829), and James (born 1832)
According to the 1861 census, Alice was a nurse.
It also says in the 1861 census that she was born in Whitchurch.
Does this help anyone in being able to trace her?
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I have a marriage certificate for Alice Florence Philpott. She married John Paddington on 17 November 1851 in All Saints church Southampton.
At the time of her marriage she was 23 years old so that makes her date of birth about 1828.
As her mother was a nurse. I was thinking that Alice Florence was named after Florence Nightingale.
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Um, Florence Nightingale was born in 1820 and did not become famous until the Crimean War in the mid-1850s. So while the theory is nice, reality may be different.
I note that in 1851 Alice Florence says she was born in Fordingbridge. Checking the baptisms, Alice Philpott was baptised in Fordingbridge 29 Jan 1830 and her parents were Charles & Elizabeth Philpott. Three other children baptised in Fordingbridge to Charles & Elizabeth between 1829 and 1835. Are we looking at the correct Charles Philpott?
Perhaps I should be looking for the marriage between Charles & Elizabeth
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I also wondered about Charles Philpott and Elizabeth Kenchington.
But the marriage certificate clearly says Alice Florence Philpott. There was one thing I found strange.
On the free BMD site, the marriage of John Paddington and Alice Florence Philpott took place in the Dec quarter of 1850.
The certificate clearly says 17 November 1851.
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Yes, I noticed that discrepancy too. Added to the fact that I can't find Alice Philpott's baptism (with or without the Florence)with the parents Charles and Alice, but I can find baptisms at the same time for children to Charles and Elizabeth, I think there must be two families. Which one are you following? If Alice (Florence) Philpot is the connection, I think it possible that you need Charles and Elizabeth's family since Alice married to John Paddington says she was born in Fordingbridge, rather than Hursley.
A mystery
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Re: Alice Hall
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 11 November 09 08:37 UTC (UK) » |
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Alice Florence Philpott and John Paddington are my great, great grandparents, so I am really trying to discover more about them.
I have found a death record for an Alice Philpott in Dec quarter 1872 in Winchester. It says she was 81 years old.
I haven't got the death certificate yet but do you have any thoughts as to whether this could be her.
I realise this would make her date of birth about 1791 which means she was about nine years older than Charles Philpott.
But as her marriage certificate says she was already a widow when they got married, it is possible that she was a bit older than him.
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Re: Alice Hall
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 11 November 09 21:33 UTC (UK) » |
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I think that before you proceeed, you need to sort out the two families. I can't find Alice (allegedly Florence too) with her parents in 1841. The marriage certificate only gives her father's name - so no proof yet of who her mother was.
There are two Charles Philpott and family around: Charles & Alice in Hursley, for whom I can only find two children (Isabella and James) in the baptism records, and Charles & Elizabeth in Fordingbridge (Henry, Alice, Charles & Edwin). The dates of baptism indicate two families. It is necessary to establish which family is yours. I think it is Charles & Elizabeth in Fordingbridge which would mean that the Alice in Hursley in 1871, dying in 1872 and born about 1791 is NOT the mother of Alice who married John Paddington. Her death certificate is likely to say the "widow of Charles Philpott" - but how will you know which Charles Philpott?
I can't find either family completely together in 1841.
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Thanks for all your help. I will just have to keep digging into both Charles Philpotts.
On Alice Florence's marriage certificate it states that her father, Charles was a cattle dealer.
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