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Elsa-Mary
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Hello from Jaen in Spain 
I have recently discovered my great-grandmother came, from Whitford.
Her name was Mary Harriot Amos-born about 1859-she married Edward H? ROBERTS IN emmanuel (Everton in1885), accoeding to 1861 census-her father was Thomas Amos .
married to Margaret?
Anyone reaserching Amos family have any info --Please!
Thank You
Elsa-Mary from chilly Spain
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Lunt, Greenwood, Lancashire/Cheshire/N Ireland.
Taggart,Robinson,Bates. N Ireland
Roberts, Liverpool.
Amos, Mostyn, Flintshire.
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Paul
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Hello Elsa-Mary,
I had a look in Whitford & Hloywell parish registers but couldn't see a baptism
for Mary Harriot Amos 
Do you have her parents marriage details & does the census give Thomas's Occupation.
Paul.
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Elsa-Mary
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Hi,Paul and taidgazacaz
Thanks for your replies, and help.
I managed today to get 1861 census which shows address Mertyn Flintshire.
folowing people listed;
Roberts , -Hugh Widower 66 b1795- Carpenter-Llanover
Amos ,-Thomas lodger,28 b1833- Sawyer-Whitford
Amos,- Margaret ,wife 30 b 1831 Whitford
Roberts,- Hannah, daughter 13 b 1848 at school, Whitford
Amos,- Hanah Jane daughter 4, b1857, Whitford
Amos,- Mary Harriot daughter 2, b 1859, Whitford.
Amos, -John Son 1,b1860 Whitford.
This appears to be the right family.
By 1871, my goodness there were another  5 children!!!
Anne E- b 1864,
Margaret,-b1865,
Robert,b1867,
Thomas O,b1869,
Louisa, infant b1871
And Brother-in-Law William Roberts.
All I have re Mary Harriott Amos is marriage to Edward H (Humphrey)Roberts at Everton Emmanuel Liverpool, 1885.
So now did wonder if Edward H Roberts was related to the1861 Hugh Roberts,and their lodger William Roberts in 1871 census!.
I have the 1911 census return and it says Edward( 1861) was born in Liverpool! so that knocks that on the head!!!
so I'm stuck finding him!!
I v'e had no luck finding Thomas Amos's parents,I would think they would probably be from Whitford area.
Many thanks again
Elsa-Mary, in chilly Spain
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Paul
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Hi I think the address on the 1861 is Mostyn.
Mostyn marriage Sep 6 1856.
Thomas Amos. full age. Bachelor. Sawyer. Abode, Whitford. Father, John. Occ, Miner.
Margaret Roberts. full age. Spinster. Abode, Mostyn. Father, Hugh. Occ, Farmer.
Witnesses. Michael Robers & Elysa Roberts.
Mostyn Baptism. Jan 4 1857.
Hannah. d/o Thomas & Margaret Amos. abode, Mostyn. Occ, Sawyer.
I couldn't see baptisms for any of the other Children in Mostyn, Whitford or Holywell.
It looks like they went Chapel. There is a Cysegr Independent Chapel in Mostyn but the Records Office only have birth & death records 1832-37.
Paul.
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taidgazacaz
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I think I've managed to follow Thomas Amos, born c1832, through all the censuses from 1841 to 1901. I've created a spreadsheet, so if you can open MS Excel or perhaps Word as a table, I can post it as an attachment.
One thing seems clear; it's fairly obvious that Thomas' wife Margaret was a Roberts, so we may be able to find the marriage.
One thing which is rather puzzling, which is shown in Elsa-Mary's previous post: in 1861 Margaret Harriot is 2 yrs old, but in 1871 we see a 12 yr old Mary A, and another Margaret aged 6 (this one appears in 1881 aged 15.) So if Margaret Harriott survived, why do we see a new Margaret, and where was Margaret Harriott in 1871?
This is what makes family history such fun !!
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taidgazacaz
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Sorry, I missed the fact that Paul has already found the marriage of Thomas and Margaret.
The censuses confirm Thomas' occupation; 1851 farm labourer, 1861, 1871 sawyer, 1881, 1891, 1901 woodman.
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Elsa-Mary
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Beunos Notches,
Many thanks,for your help,I can hardly believe how quickly this family has been traced right back to basically 1832-Thomas Amos birth.
(I have been reseaching my paternal line from Liverpool,and it has been 4 years in total to get to marriage of Peter Lunt in 1820,but cannot seem to find his father!!) so this is fantastic!!!  techno;ogy and wonderful people on this forum
WHAT A RESULT ! , I felt sure that it was going to be a LONG haul ,
but thanks to you all.
TAIDGAZACAZ and PAUL, i am so grateful.
I would be delighted to receive your spreadsheet,I have Word so shouldn't be a problem.
RE MARGARET AMOS, born c 1865 she was 6yrs old in 1871,was there a bit of confusion as Mary Harriott was 12yrs old as she was born c 1859?
As a matter of interest Mary Harriot was servant in 1881 in the L J Mortimer Household at 77 Church Rd
Tramere Cheshire, a Vicars home, AND OF COURSE MARRIED IN 1885.
I was born in N Ireland and at 10 yrs of age moved to LLANBERIS IN CAERNARVONSHIRE , now known as Gwynedd, and had been told my grandmother Margaret Eleanor Roberts was Welsh,so now I know from where she originated- Thanks
Elsa-Mary
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Elsa-Mary
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Hi Taidgazacaz,
You think you got problems ::)just had newwindows set up installed! and cannot remember my password to connect to internet-wellI thought I did  ,keeps telling me incorrect :(blah-blah.
Problem is,it's not the same setup-much newer,so the little boxes are different and not as simples! as previous 
So using my laptop to reply.(wont use my Cymraeg,is only dipin bach anyway)
Hopefully get it sorted manana.
Sorry about not mentioning that Margaret Eleanor Lunt nee Roberts was my grandmother,all I knew about her was her surname was Roberts,was told she was Welsh-but hadn't a clue where in Wales and with a name like Roberts+Margaret Eleanor tried many times and had so many Margaret Eleanor'sfrom Angelsey to Swansea gave up!!
Bought some credits for 1911 census and luckily got birth area,-then bmd till blue in face and used most my credits,then got lucky with maiden name,the rest is history!!
I surely wouldn't have moved so fast without the help I have had from you all.
I know the feeling, I think yea I can do that after I've been shown-do it once,go back 6mths later and blow me I seem to have senior moment and it's chinese!!!
Won't you need my email address? when you get sorted,do you just pm me and I reply with it or What!
Nos Da or it now should be Bora Da
Elsa-Mary
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taidgazacaz
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Hello again,
Attached the spreadsheet at last. You appear to have most of the information already.
In 1901, Thomas has a new wife. NorthWalesBMD shows 3 Thomas Amos marriages between 1891 and 1901, the most likely being with Elizabeth Roberts in 1898, Holywell Civil, HOL/31/E165
There's also one with an Elizabeth Edwards, in 1892, at Llangwyfan.
Tecwyn
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taidgazacaz
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NorthWalesBMD shows the death of Margaret Amos in 1897, Whitford, WHIT/20/29
This site also shows the births of most of the children, though I couldn't find Louisa or Mercy.
Also, interestingly, there are four other Amos children registered Whitford within the same timeframe, so either there was another family there, or the died before appearing in a any census. I'll have a look at Parish Registers when I next visit Hawarden. I might come up with something.
Tecwyn
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Elsa-Mary
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Good Evening Taidgazacaz,
Sorry havn't replied sooner blessed printer wouldn't work after new Windows  ,had to uninstall and disconnect and reload to sort it eventually,tried what I thought were a few short cuts agh!!!
Still,diolch yn fawr, wonder if you would send that spreadsheet to me direct,for some reason can't get it all in on one page!!! duh-something else to sort, and I would like to study it.
Well in between MESSING WITH PRINTER I MANAGED, to do bit of scouting so I could check if printer worked-it didn't-- BUT guess what !! went looking for
Edward Humphry Roberts on 1881 census ,and found that his father EDward Roberts born Llainenwen  ? that's what it looked like to me,but fairly sure there is not village with exactly that name in Denbighshire, Debigh, c1817,
AND mother Ellen c1826--- Angelsey!!!!!!,pity no village name,as I was brought up in LLANBERIS, I know Angelsey Mon Mam Cymru very well..
Be interesting to find out her maiden name! haven't got the 1871, 1861 census to follow them.
Dreadful weather you are having,hope it picks up soon for you.
My son-in law is around Denbigh tomorrow, as there is Band competion- he is in Deiniolen Brass Band.
Adios Tecwyn
Elsa-Mary
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