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Topic: Dudley Marriage lookup (Read 244 times)
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CaroleW
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Barney 1993-2005
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Hi
Go to this link and scroll down until you see "Please choose a year range"
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=8913&offerid=0%3a7858%3a0
Select a year to search then a quarter and then P for Palmer (you'll be years searching for Jones)
It will only present you with the start of the P surnames so you either have to use the Prev/Next arrows highlighted in green to advance the pages or use the page counter box which is to the left of the green "GO" box and guess which page it may be on
You have to repeat this process for every quarter which is a VERY cumbersome way to search
Ancestry have a lot to answer for by withdrawing the old way the index used to work but the complaints have fallen on deaf ears!!
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FlutterBye
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Hi Carole
I see what you mean, gosh I'll be searching this for years... 
Thanks
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DudleyWinchurch
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Not common but I have seen Palmer written as Parmer.
Also, if they were not (very) literate and the minister misheard, then Palmer recorded as Farmer is always possible, so might be worth checking the Farmer entry for fathers name and occupation and witnesses, if it can be done in the church register rather than buying the cert.
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McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, Cuthbert, Quirk, O'Malley (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)
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DudleyWinchurch
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Also you can search the original indx pages at FREEBMD View_Images [this seems to be a reserved word as it does not appear if I write it normally]. Still cumbersome but I prefer their ystem to the Ancestry one.
The other method is to use the normal FREEBMD search for, say Palmer, and then go to the quarter page. If any particular quarter does not appear then reduce the number of letters searched on and use the * for wild card, e.g. "Pal*".
The trouble with that is that you still need to look up Jones in the same quarter for each Mary Ann Palmer entry, to see if there is a corresponding entry and, if it's missing because one of the pages was unreadable, you will still have a problem finding it.
Wherever you go to look up the index, that is a big job for entries before the cross-referencing began.
However, don't give up hope as it seems (from a message elsewhere on the site, if I remember correctly) that the DOVE project will be completed under a different name sometime from 2010 onwards, and I think that they are completely redoing the indexes from the original entries, with cross-referencing.
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McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, Cuthbert, Quirk, O'Malley (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)
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CaroleW
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Hi
See my reply above
I have already checked the full GRO entry and West Mids BMD - all 3 transcriptions show the surname as Farmer
I take your point that the surname could have been mis-heard
It could be worth your while ordering the cert via the West Mids BMD website and putting a condition on it that you only want it if her fathers name was Thomas. You could also add a request to check that the surname is definitely Farmer and not Palmer/Parmer
If it is definitely not the right one - they will not make any charge. If you use the same process and order via the GRO - they will charge a £3 search fee
www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk and turn up the entry
Click on the reference number on the right hand side of the entry
On the next page - again click on the reference number and it will show a prepared application form for you to print off
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DudleyWinchurch
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Hi Carole,
I wasn't suggesting that anyone recheck the transcriptions again.
Just a different way of getting to the original index pages that's a bit more intuitive than having to work out the page number each time (although I have done full searches on FREEBMD that way - once you have calculated the approximate proportion of pages in that the name you want is found relative to the number available for that letter, it can be fairly quick finding the right page in every quarter).
The quickest way that I've found is to list the years and quarters of interest, start with the full name and then cross off each page that that you have checked, then remove the first name and check again crossing out more pages. Then gradually reduce the family name by a letter at a time using the wild-card, until you have eventually found and crossed off all the quarters.
With this method, if there are no (e.g. Pa*) entries transcribed and you still have missing quarters for Palmer, you might have to try Or* or something similar nearby, if you want to be sure of checking every possible index page. On the other hand, if there are too many results to show, then you can restrict the search by area. It doesn't matter which area you choose because once you have found the correct page then all the areas are on the same index page for that name.
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McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, Cuthbert, Quirk, O'Malley (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)
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FlutterBye
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Hi Carole and DudleyWinchurch
Thanks for the suggestions, I went thru view pages on freebmd came up with nothing, have decided to order the Farmer cert based on father's name been Thomas Palmer.. fingers crossed.. I'll let you know the outcome.
I'll try and track down marriage certs of sibs of Mary Ann Palmer and see if she appears as a witness, hoping I can pinpoint her marriage that way.. might be lucky with her marrying between sibs marriages.
Thanks
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FlutterBye
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Hi
Update
Received the marriage cert..
Definately is Mary Ann Farmer 20 spinister and her father is Thomas Farmer.
Makes you wonder whether Mary Ann's fathers name on her second marriage cert should have been Thomas Farmer poss misheard. To prove I need the birth certs of one or more of their kids, I have sent away for one, fingers crossed there are sooo many Jones's..
Thanks again for all your help
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CaroleW
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Hi
Did she have any children by Hollies? If she did - it may be easier getting one of their birth certs. It should show her original maiden name as Farmer/Palmer - not Jones
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FlutterBye
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Hi Carole
Not that lucky, the Hollies didn't have any kids.
I'll have to wait for the birth cert I ordered.
Thanks
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