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Topic: Harris and Carnochan or could it be Churchill (Read 128 times)
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I have successfully researched every other branch of the family, but this one has me stumped. I have a marriage record for Thomas Harris and Laura Surrell which indicates Thomas is the son of Henry Harris and Annie Carnochan (Charnochan). Thomas was born in Ontario about April 1, 1879 (no record of his birth). I know his father was Henry born in London and immigrated to Canada about 1873. I have found a Henry Harris immigrating with his parents William and Harriette along with his siblings at that time and settling in Kent, Ontario. I can trace much of that family, but Henry seems to have disappeared. I do have a Henry who married Annie Churchill about 1880. They appear on the 1881 census with their son Thomas living in Markham. However, that Henry Harris is recorded as the son of John and Emma.
So here's my dilemma, a. is it the correct Henry and b. is it the correct Thomas?
Is anyone familiar with any of these names, especially Carnochan? Or familiar with the Harris family of Kent or Markham? I know it's a tall order but any help would be appreciated.
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Yes, this is the Henry I keep coming back to. I can find nothing else about him after 1881.
No marriage record, no death record.
Unless he moved to Markham and married Annie Churchill.
I do find him on the 1861 and 1871 census in Surrey, England which indicates he was born in France. I'm grasping at straws though, as I don't know if this is the Henry Harris I'm looking for.
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Do you have any witnesses names etc from the marriage of Thomas and Laura?
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1891/
- in 1891 I think the family who were in Markham in 1881 are in St. Matthews Ward, York East.
Henry Harris, 34, b. England
Annie, 37, b. Ontario
Thomas, 12
Frank, 10
Jane, 3
(kids b. Ontario)
Not having much luck finding them after that census, though.
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cosmac
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Family History of William Harris and Harriet Ratcliff Who Came to Canada on or About the Year 1872 From the City of Kingston
is found at this site http://ogskent.on.ca/holdings.htm
There is also a Henry Harris, 27, Farmer b. 1858 England s/o Harris and Harris (record indicates that bridegroom could not tell parents) marrying Susan Hunt, 19, b. England d/o John and Elizabeth Hunt on Jan 30, 1885 at Hamilton Wentworth. Frederick's marriage in 1887 to Maggie Sudds also didn't indicate parents first names if I have the correct one.
On the 1891 census there is a Henry Harris, 32, married born Eng. but no wife residing with him in Flamborough West Wentworth North.
There are 2 deaths in Wentworth West Flamborough for Henry Harris both born England around 1859 but no parents given or other identifying factors. July 29, 1899 at Lot 19 con 4 and Aug 28, 1899
There are other possibilities on the 1891 census for a Henry Harris born England with parents born England in other areas of the country, some married some single but none with a Thomas.
You know for sure that Henry married and had a son Thomas around 1880?
Debbie
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Yes, Laura's brother Edward and a Mrs. Pringle.
I have a great deal of information on Henry, Annie, Frank and Jane.
Henry, Annie and Jane are all buried in the same cemetery at the Thomas Harris in our family. Henry died in 1921 while living on the same street that Thomas lived on. Thomas also died in 1921. I have found that they seemed to all live in the same area on the 1911 census as well. The coincidences are many, yet there are many inconsistencies as well.
On the marriage record our Thomas indicates that his mother's name was Annie Charnochan b. Ontario.
Frank and Jane (aka Jennie) indicate their mother is Annie Churchill. Except Jane's 3rd marriage 1917 to Willliam Rae when she names her mother as Kate Liscombe.
Thomas Harris appears on the 1901 census as the husband of Laura (though they were not yet married) occupation teamster. Thomas also appears on the 1901 census with Henry, Annie, Frank and Jane. Occupation cork maker. I have come across other situations where a person appears twice on the same census so this doesn't surprise me.
Maybe I'll never know but I'm hopeful that someone, somewhere can shed some light.
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Cosmac
I have seen the site you mention. You quote more information than I've seen I'm thinking I may have to go to the Chatham library (4 hour drive) unless the full text is available on line. If so could you instruct how I will find it.
thanks
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cosmac
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The information I included did not come from the Kent County site but from ancestry.ca records. I wasn't clear on where Thomas fit in your family and whether you were just trying to link possibilities. The 1891 census record for Harry in Dover Kent certainly seems to tie in with your family. I've seen duplicates of people on census but never that far apart geographically.
Debbie
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From the information you have provided regarding Henry I'm convinced I've been barking up the wrong tree.
Thomas Harris married to Laura Surrell is creating this mystery for me. Laura's side of the family I have researched successfully. Thomas seems to have no record prior to 1901. I only know what I have from the 1901 census, marriage record, 1911 census and 1921 death/cemetery record.
I can't even confirm that he is part of the Henry, Annie, Frank and Jane family.
Just coincidences to go on.
Thanks for your help.
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