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Penholder
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Archie & Ruby

Birthplace of Thomas HAKES born c 1753 - COMPLETED
« on: Sunday 15 November 09 14:36 UTC (UK) »

Please, does anyone know where Thomas HAKES came from?

Thomas married Elizabeth LEBATT in Piddington on 16th February 1780 and they lived in Piddington from then on as far as I can tell. Elizabeth was baptised in Piddington but Thomas was not and I can't see any likely parents for him there either. When Thomas was buried at Piddington on 27th June 1828 he was 75 years old, making his date of birth c 1753 if my arithmetic is correct.

If anyone can fill in the blank and thus help me go back another generation I shall be extremely grateful.

Diana


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Pennie
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Re: Birthplace of Thomas HAKES born c 1753
« Reply #1 on: Monday 16 November 09 13:15 UTC (UK) »

Hi Diana ...

Checking the Northants. Marriage Index (1700-1837), the only likely HAKE(S) marriage before 1755 took place at Woodford Halse in 1743 (the groom was from Mixbury).

These three places - WH, Piddington and Mixbury - form a rough triangle, with each side approx. 20 miles.

I have access to the WH parish register fiches at my local library, and would be happy to see if there's any sign of Thomas's baptism there.

Pennie


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Re: Birthplace of Thomas HAKES born c 1753
« Reply #2 on: Monday 16 November 09 17:39 UTC (UK) »

Hi Pennie

Thank you for your reply and also the kind offer of a look-up at your local library. I will gladly take you up on it!

There's no particular rush, so please don't put yourself out, just whenever is most convenient.

Best wishes,

Diana


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Pennie
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Re: Birthplace of Thomas HAKES born c 1753
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 24 November 09 18:44 UTC (UK) »

Hi Diana ...

Unfortunately, my visit to the library was not terribly productive! I found the 1743 HAKES marriage in the Woodford Halse registers, as follows:

John HAKES of Mixbury and Mary HARRIS otp were married by Banns Nov. 3rd

However, I found no HAKES baptisms at WH between 1744 and 1756. I also checked the burials for the first five years after John and Mary's marriage (to see if either of them had died in the parish) but there was nothing.

It would seem that they moved away from the parish after their marriage, which would seem to be confirmed by the IGI which has the following baptisms at Mixbury:

1744 - Thomas, s. John and Mary
1746 - William, s. John and Mary
1748 - John, s. John
1752 - George, s. John

But no sign of Thomas, although it may be worth checking the surrounding areas (the 1744 Thomas could have died in infancy and had an older brother named for him).

On the IGI there's a Thomas HAKES baptised at Stepney (London) in 1752 (different parents). He's the only HAKES baptised in the parish around that time - have you checked him out?

Sorry I couldn't bring you better news!

Pennie


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Archie & Ruby

Re: Birthplace of Thomas HAKES born c 1753
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 24 November 09 19:55 UTC (UK) »

Hi Pennie

I am very grateful that you went to all that trouble for me. It's the right name, even if it isn't the right person, so it looks as if it would be worth my while to investigate Mixbury and the parishes between it and Piddington.

Thank you very much indeed for your help.

Regards,

Diana


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Pennie
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Re: Birthplace of Thomas HAKES born c 1753
« Reply #5 on: Monday 30 November 09 12:27 UTC (UK) »

Hi Diana ...

Just wondering if you've noticed Wozzle's posting on the Look Ups section of this board, offering birth/baptisms from 1751?

May be a way of locating Thomas!

Pennie


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Re: Birthplace of Thomas HAKES born c 1753
« Reply #6 on: Monday 30 November 09 13:20 UTC (UK) »

HI Diana

As you are aware a lot of us here have the same cd roms as Wozzle
from Alan Clarke.

There is no baptism noted except those Pennie noted.

As the offer was made gratefully by Pennie it was not polite
to list in-between time.

Doing so now so time is not wasted.

Sandy x


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Archie & Ruby

Re: Birthplace of Thomas HAKES born c 1753
« Reply #7 on: Monday 30 November 09 13:21 UTC (UK) »

Hi Pennie

No, I hadn't spotted Wozzle's posting! Thank you very much for pointing it out. I will give it a go.

Regards,

Diana


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Re: Birthplace of Thomas HAKES born c 1753
« Reply #8 on: Monday 30 November 09 13:45 UTC (UK) »

Hi Sandy

Nice to hear from you! again Our posts crossed, so I have already put in my request to Wozzle. I will put in another post to ask him not to bother.

Thank you for letting me know that there is no baptism for Thomas on the CDs. He is playing hard to get! Do you know if there are any parishes that aren't covered?

I have been so busy with research on other branches of my tree that the HAKES side has got rather neglected, but I check the Northampton boards every few days. I will have to find the time for another trip to the Record Office soon....

Take care,

Diana


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seahall
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Re: Birthplace of Thomas HAKES born c 1753
« Reply #9 on: Monday 30 November 09 15:58 UTC (UK) »

HI Diana.

You can find all the Parishes covered on this link.

http://www.northants-familytree.net/baptismindex1751-1812.html

Sandy x


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Archie & Ruby

Re: Birthplace of Thomas HAKES born c 1753
« Reply #10 on: Monday 30 November 09 19:21 UTC (UK) »

Hi Sandy

Thank you for getting back to me with that link. I have just had a look and sadly every parish has been covered, so I reckon I may have hit the proverbial brick wall.

I will turn my attentions to the Mixbury area and maybe also Stepney, as suggested by Pennie, but I think that the farther away any baptism took place the slimmer my chances of making a definite connection. My best hope is that Thomas's age at death was wrong and I can find him being baptised in the vicinity of Piddington just before 1851. I will have to keep my fingers tightly crossed.

All the best,

Diana


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seahall
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Re: Birthplace of Thomas HAKES born c 1753
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 01 December 09 07:47 UTC (UK) »

Hi again Diana.

As Alan and Marilyn's cd roms are Church of England,
it is still possible to try Non-conformists records.

Some of my own ancestors baptised in both Religions.

I will P.M. the link.

Sandy x


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Pennie
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Re: Birthplace of Thomas HAKES born c 1753
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 01 December 09 17:29 UTC (UK) »

Hi Diana ...

Some queries you just find hard to let go of!

I had a quick check on GenesReunited. Someone on there has a Thomas HAKES born/baptised in 1752 at Hanslope (Bucks.), which is about 4 miles south of Piddington. (He also had an identical person born/baptised at Yardley Hastings, but as this parish is included on the NBI then he should theoretically have appeared on the index.)

Hope this gives you another lead to follow!

Pennie


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Archie & Ruby

Re: Birthplace of Thomas HAKES born c 1753
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 01 December 09 18:08 UTC (UK) »

Hi Pennie

It is so kind of you to still be looking into this for me. I will check on genesreuntied as I am also a member. Will also have to check back through my notes. I'm pretty sure I looked into the chap in Hanslope and found him married to someone else and having children when my Thomas was having his children in Piddington. I'm hoping my memory is wrong!!!

As for the NBI and Yardley Hastings, that's a new one on me, so will also have to follow it up.

Many, many thanks,

Diana


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Archie & Ruby

Re: Birthplace of Thomas HAKES born c 1753 - COMPLETED
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 01 December 09 22:39 UTC (UK) »

Hi again Pennie

I owe you a very big thank you as your genesreunited suggestion has come up trumps!

Both Hanslope AND Yardley Hastings are possible as two brothers had a son called Thomas in the same year. It doesn't totally solve the puzzle but because they were brothers the grandparents of my Thomas are the same regardless of his parents.

Many thanks indeed,

Diana


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