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Topic: George Smith - Hangman (Read 1693 times)
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smith_and_jones
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Hi All
If anyone has access to the newspapers in the area, wonder if this is the death of George's mother, age is right for the 41 post earlier.
21 Dec 1845 - Frances Smith, Oakham, 76, Burnt.
TRO19721 - Would you put up some of your Smith's, I'd like to track them back thru the census, hopeful of a connection.
Cheers
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tango412
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Ok, Getting Closer.
I've spoke to another family member who belives George Smith had a son called George, although I can't find anything for that, I've ordered a marriage certificate which should prove the joseph Smith I mentioned earlier was the son of James and Phoebe Smith from Rowley Regis, I knw this information is correct, I've then found a possible marriage for James and Phoebe at Dudley Register Office in 1876, James would be 21 and Phoebe was 18, they had 2 sons (Joseph and James) and a daughter called May.
I'm now hoping that James and Phoebe marriage certificate list George Smith (Junior) as his father.
If anyone wants to confirm this, please let me know  I'm 2 generation away now.
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tango412
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Sorry for the double post, Smith_Jones, could you please tell me what newspaper that was in, the Dudley Tattler (Brilliant name for a newspaper) is good, but is the Dudley Herald one too ??
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smith_and_jones
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Hi Tango
Possibly your James and Phoebe..
1881
9 Darbys Hill, Rowley
James Smith 24 - Stone cutter
Phoebe Smith 22 - b Oldbury
Fanny Smith 19 - Boarder
others b Rowley
Possibly Fanny is James's sister, need to find the 1871 with James.
1891
Mince?, Rowley
James Smith 35 - Labourer at colliery?
Phoeba Smith 32
Elizabeth Smith 10 - b Oldbury
Mary Smith 9
Joseph Smith 6
James Smith 2
others b Rowley
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smith_and_jones
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Sorry for the double post, Smith_Jones, could you please tell me what newspaper that was in, the Dudley Tattler (Brilliant name for a newspaper) is good, but is the Dudley Herald one too ??
I meant did anyone have access to the local newspaper archive, when it said burnt I immediately thought house fire, but thinking about it possibly could have been died from any old burns.. I'll see if I have order her death cert.
21 Dec 1845 - Frances Smith, Oakham, 76, Burnt.
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smith_and_jones
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Poss your James and family
1861
Portway, Rowley
John Smith 35 - Stoneminer
Elizabeth Smith 38 - b Birmingham
Mary A Smith 14
Alfred Smith 11 - b Dudley
Warrick Smith 10 (Harriet)
James Smith 5
Emelia Smith 1
Richard Harris 44 - Boarder - Stoneminer - b Dudley
others b Rowley
1871
Portway, Rowley
John Smith 49 - Labourer in stone quarry
Elizabeth Smith 46 - b Birmingham
James Smith 15 - Labourer in stone quarry
Hanny Smith 9 (Fanny on image)
Joseph Smith 7
Richard Harris 53 - Boarder - Labourer in stone quarry - b Halesowen
other b Rowley
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tango412
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Smith-Jones,
Thanks, got that checked out and seems right, I think I've busted the family theory though, it would make John Smith born around 1826, so the next generation back would be George Smith (Hangman) he was born around 1805. I believe according to the web he had a son called George, so this doesn't fit.
Ican only assume it must be some relation to John maybe, but it certainly doesn't fit as a direct link. There seems little evidence to prove that Geoge had a son anywhere, he must have I guess, but I'm at a dead end on this one now, onto the next in the list, if anyone else has any information on the children of George Smith (IE George jnr) then please post here so I lay this ghost to rest finally, he's in the family somewhere just don't know where, aaaahhhh, frustrating, thanks for everyones help.
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smith_and_jones
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Hi Tango
To prove the theory, you would need John and Elizabeths marriage cert, that would tell you John's father, then you would know for sure, do you have any of the kids of this couple birth cert, that will tell you the mothers maiden name, from there you could order the cert.
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tango412
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Managed to sort my immediate family, no George Smith, to keep this thread alive can anyome shed any light on George Smiths children, we know George senior had a son called George, are there any references to this or especially to George Smiths junior relashonships, was he ever married, where and to whom, there is very little evidence around and a thousand George Smiths to go through, someone somewhere must be related to George Junior.
Smith-Jones, you were right, very addictive, swapped the gym for the archives, how sad is that
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FlutterBye
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 way more fun than the gym.. thanks Tango
I received Francis Smith death cert, unfortunately no family members were informants.. I was hoping for one of the son's quote from Ambly post
19 Dec 1845 at Oakham Rowley Regis, Francis Smith, Widow, 77 years, Accidentally burnt, 30hrs
Quote from Ambly
IGI: [P009901]
Samuel SMITH chr 28 Dec 1794 Rowley Regis - parents: Thomas SMITH & Francis.
Charles SMITH chr 9 Apr 1797 Rowley Regis - parents: Thomas SMITH & Francis
George SMITH chr 27 Apr 1806 Rowley Regis - parents Thomas SMITH and Frances
Next step to follow the other 2 sons thru the census's.
Your right Tango, we need to know if George Smith had children.
Cheers
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tango412
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All,
Check the 1861 census,
Samuel and Mary Smith , 4 Oakham, ages 66 and 65
then living at 5 Oakham is George Smith age 54
Dates fit, could George and Samuel be neighbours in 1861, George was born around 1806 and Samuel in 1794.
This is good for me as I have think my connection is John Smith (B 1822)
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tango412
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Ok, rotally confused now, had the marriage certificate back for James Smith and Phoebe Fellows, I expected to find John Smith listed as the the father, no its listed as William. I expected to find my link to George as follows, just doesnt fit, so frustrating:
Bertha, Joseph, James, John, Samuel, Thomas.
Samuel had two other brothers and George was one of them, I thought this list was my link, but seeing William on the marriage cert has totally confused me.
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