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ness123
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British WW1 medal roll
« on: Thursday 26 November 09 09:05 UTC (UK) »

Hi just wondering if anyone can help, a family member of mine has a Medal roll card and on it it says.
Rasc/101b208  page 21356 Reta(1743k.r.1912)  8163 adt

can anyone tell me more about this?
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Re: British WW1 medal roll
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 26 November 09 12:38 UTC (UK) »

I've put a link to this on the armed forces board so hopefully someone over there will be able to help.
In the meantime it looks like Royal Army Service Corps.Regt. no. & King's Reg's.
but I could be wrong.
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Re: British WW1 medal roll
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 26 November 09 19:20 UTC (UK) »

Hello Ness,

Is it possible to have a few more details please?
Name, service number.

It's far easier if the MIC can be seen in context.

It looks like you have posted the roll number and the comment that they were returned under paragraph 1743 of King's Regulations 1912.

Kings Regulations (1912) para 1743 states:

"Medals which, at the end of 10 years, still remain unclaimed, will be sent to ... the deputy director of ordnance stores, Royal Dockyard (Medal Branch), Woolwich ... to be broken up."

Phil
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Re: British WW1 medal roll
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 26 November 09 20:17 UTC (UK) »

Thanks so much, the service man's name is Henry Bailey and the regiment number is 299105 Army
Thanks Ness
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Re: British WW1 medal roll
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 26 November 09 21:22 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Ness,

I had a look at the Medal Index Card.

RASC/101B208; Page 21356 is the actual roll number, which is available to view at the National Archives, but may not give you much, if any, more information.

Ret'd (1743 KR 1912) is as I posted previously.

8163/Adt is unknown clerical speak, to me, but is found with variations in the number on similar index cards.

Phil
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Re: British WW1 medal roll
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 26 November 09 22:25 UTC (UK) »

thanks so much Phil.
i think that maybe he got a victory medal?
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Re: British WW1 medal roll
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 26 November 09 22:35 UTC (UK) »

He was entitled to both the British War and Victory medals.

Do you know if either of them existed?
Sometimes, if for instance, the man wrote in with his new address, they were re-sent.

Phil
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Re: British WW1 medal roll
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 26 November 09 23:16 UTC (UK) »

oh i'm not sure Phil, Henry was my great grandfather's brother, Henry was in England and my g grandfather was in Australia. so not sure what happened to Medals or anything else for that matter, Photos etc.......
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Re: British WW1 medal roll
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 26 November 09 23:19 UTC (UK) »

Oh well......... that's the trials and tribulations of family history.

Phil  Smiley
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Re: British WW1 medal roll
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 26 November 09 23:23 UTC (UK) »

sorry Phil just a quick question, can you actually order, or ask for the Medals to be re-issued to family? Huh
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Re: British WW1 medal roll
« Reply #10 on: Friday 27 November 09 20:51 UTC (UK) »

I'm afraid that the MoD will not replace WW1 medals.

Strangely, although the Australian Government will not replace medals, it appears that they will consider issuing medals that were never claimed. There again, they kept their service records in one piece and let the whole world access them for free.

Phil

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Re: British WW1 medal roll
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 28 November 09 00:50 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Phil  Grin
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Re: British WW1 medal roll
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 05 January 10 15:03 UTC (UK) »

I was very interested in the exchange of messages concerning 1743 K.R 1912 and these have helped me to understand the remarks on a medal card. I am trying to track down my grandfather's WW1 record. He was a driver in the RFA or RHA. I have narrowed the list of possible people to two with regimental numbers 207636 and 675233. His name was Alfred Burgess. Does anyone know how I can now proceed to find his Brigade ID or is there nothing else I can do. I can't find service records for either of these men.
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Re: British WW1 medal roll
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 05 January 10 19:40 UTC (UK) »

Ken,

Alfred Burgess, Driver 675233 was a Territorial. He didn't go overseas before early 1917.

The service number is one of the batch allotted to 1/1 (275 Brigade) and 2/1 (285 Brigade) West Lancs RFA. I would tend towards 285 Bde, on the basis that they didn't go overseas until early 1917 anyway, but there's no guarantee.

1st West Lancs Brigade was based at Windsor Barracks, Spekeland St, Liverpool.

Driver 207636 is going to be harder , if not impossible to track down without a service record.
The nearest record I can find is of Charles Oxford, 607640, who attested late January 1917 in Wimbledon.

Phil

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Re: British WW1 medal roll
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 05 January 10 20:04 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Phil

My grandfather was born in Liverpool in april 1897. Family legend has it that he lied about his age to join up so the TF reference would appear not to be my grandfather as the date for going overseas doesn't seem right. It is interesting that the brigade  headquarters was in Liverpool where he was born though.

Many thanks once again
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