Cottingham
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Can anyone help?
We are trying to research the families of Bright and Bentley from the St. Ives, Huntingdonshire and surrounding areas.
We have an Olive Berenice Bentley Bright b. 1885, Needingsworth, Huntingdonshire. Her mother was Elizabeth Bentley b. abt 1858 and father was William Bright b. abt 1845, both in the surrounding area of St. Ives.
If you have any information about any of these people or a possible connection, then I'd like to hear from you.
Thanks.
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1891 census
Main St, Somersham
William Bright head marr 45 coal agent b St Ives
Lissie Bright wife 33 b Woodhurst Hunts
Evangeline B Bright dau 8 scholar b Needingworth
Bertrande B B Bright son scholar b Needingworth
Olive B B Bright dau 5 scholar b Needingworth
Bernard B B Bright son 2 b Needingworth
Marguerita N? B B Bright dau 1
In 1881 which you will probably have checked on www.familysearch.org there is William Bright 35 widower coal dealer born St Ives with children William 13, Elizabeth 10, Frances 8, Betsy 6, and Charles 4.
1871 census
Holywell cum Needingworth
William Bright head marr 27 farmer 25 acres b St Ives
Rebecca Bright wife 28 b Barley, Herts
William Bright son 3 b Needingworth
Phoebe Bright dau 10m b Needingworth
per FreeBMD
Marriage Sept quarter 1881 St Ives registration district William Bright and Mary Elizabeth Bentley
Death Sept 1/4 1878 Rebecca Bright
Birth Sept 1/4 1870 Elizabeth Phoebe Bright
Marriage Sept 1/4 1867 William Bright and Rebecca Prime
Do you have the marriage cert of William and Elizabeth Bentley - was he described as widower? It should also show his father's name, which may be:
1861 census Holywell cum Needingworth
High St
Frank Bright head marr 54 farmer 30 acres b Needingworth
Elizabeth Bright wife 55 b Needingworth
Frances Bright dau unmarr 21 b Needingworth
John Bright son unm 19 b Needingworth
William Bright son unm 16 b Needingworth
1861 census RG9/977 Folio 110
Church St Woodhurst
George Bentley head marr 36 potato dealer b Oldhurst
Charlotte Bentley wife 36 b Oldhurst
Mary E Bentley dau 3 b Woodhurst
This family appear in 1871 and 1881 - Mary Eliz aged 13 in 1871 and Elizabeth aged 23 in 1881.
I also have the 1841 census but before looking at that you may want to verify the above, as the William Brights in 1861 and 1871 may be totally wrong.
Regards
David
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Cottingham
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Thank you for your reply.
Since you replied to our post the first time, we have been able to research this family further and it appears that William Bright who is aged 45 in the 1891 census did marry before he married Lissie. So therefore the information seems to tally up.
It also seems that Lissie was also known as Elizabeth Mary or Mary Elizabeth Bentley, before she married William Bright.
If it would be possible could you look up these families that you mentioned in your last post, in the other census's that you may have.
Thank you.
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Apologies for the delay in responding - I moved to France on 9th April and must have totally missed your request for a follow up! I will be back to you!
But... since I've been here I've discovered a long lost ggg grandmother's marriage so I've finally found her maiden name - Bright, from Somersham! I waiting for a couple of look ups from Huntingdon Record Office as the parish register has not been filmed by the LDS or transcribed. We may have a connection.
Regards
David
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1871 RG10/1528 folio 19B
Lane, Old Hurst
George Bentley head marr 45 dealer born Old Hurst
Charlotte Bentley wife 45 b Old Hurst
Mary Eliz Bentley dau 13 scholar b Old Hurst
George E Bentley son 9 scholar b Woodhurst
Benjamin Bentley son 7 scholar b Woodhurst
Ellinor Bentley dau 3 b Old Hurst
the next entry was
High St, Old Hurst
Thomas Bentley head marr 35 labourer b Old Hurst
Sarah Jane Bentley wife 31 b Old Hurst
William Bentley son 5 b Old Hurst
John Bentley son 1 b Old Hurst
John Bentley boarder widower 78 pensioner b Old Hurst
In 1881
Cottage, Old Hurst
Charlotte Bentley head widow 55 b Old Hurst
Elizabeth Bentley dau unm 23 dressmaker b Woodhurst
George E Bentley son unm 19 dealer in pigs b Woodhurst
Benjamin Bentley son unm 17 ag lab b Woodhusrt
Ellen Bentley dau 13 scholar b Woodhurst
Julia Bentley dau 9 scholar b Old Hurst
Could you let me know what other Hunts look ups you are seeking, with the exception of 1851 which has been produced as a transcript by Hunts FHS but which I don't have.
Regards
David
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Cottingham
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Hi,
Thanks for getting back to me, with this information.
If it would be possible could you please look up these Bentley Families, in the 1861 and the 1841 Census.
Also, could you please look up a Charlotte Leeden (Whom I believe is the Charlotte who married George Bentley) b. Old Hurst. If you could find her in the 1841 census, would like to know where and who she was residing with.
Thank you so much for all the information that you have sent me so far, and look forward to hearing from you again soon.
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This may come through piecemeal as I go through the censuses
1861
RG9/977 Folio 110
Woodhurst
George Bentley head marr 36 potatoe dealer b Oldhurst
Charlotte Bentley wife 36 b Oldhurst
Mary E Bentley dau 3 b Woodhurst
RG9/976 folio 18B
Old Hurst
William Bently head marr 52 ag lab b Old Hurst
Mary Bently wife 49 b Broughton Hunts
Thomas Bently son unm 25 ag lab b Old Hurst
William Bently son unm 21 ag lab b Old Hurst
Mary Bently dau unm 17 maid servant b Old Hurst
Ruth Bently dau 14 b Old Hurst
Folio 18
Old Hurst
Isaac Bently head marr 26 potatoe merchant b Old Hurst
Susan Bently wife 23 b Pidley Hunts
RG9/1023 Folio 30
6 Coldham lane, St Andrew the Less, Cambridge
John Bentley head marr 67 lab b Old Hurst Hunts
Sarah Bentley wife 59 b Old Hurst
High St Caxton Cambs
Edward Bentley head marr 36 ag lab b Old Hurst
Elizabeth Bentley wife 32 b Papworth St Everard Cambs
Edward Bentley son 16 ag lab b Buckden Hunts
Daughters Jane 15; Harriett 12; Avery 10; Elizabeth 8; Mary A 6; Fanny 3; Sarah 3 mths; all born Caxton
Hopefully 1841 will help sort out who belongs to who!
regards
David
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1841
HO107/448-09 folio 4
Edward Bentley 45 shoemaker
Mary Bentley 40
George Bentley 15
Hanah Bentley 13
Rebecker Bentley 8
Isaac Bentley 5
Benjamin Bentley 2
Next entry
William Bentley 30 ag lab
Mary Bentley 30
Francisann Bentley 7
Tom Bentley 5
William Bentley 1
Folio 5B
Joseph Bentley 35 ag lab
Joseph Bentley 9
Folio 6B
Edward Bentley 70 ag lab
Mary Bentley 70
All of them born in Hunts
Folio 6B
Sarah Leeding 50 born in Hunts
Charlotte Leeding 15 Not born in Hunts (the "N" is not very clear but it has no tail so I assume it is not a Y)
This was the only Charlotte of any age, male or female, in Old Hurst, and there were no other Leeden/Leedings. In 1861 there were only 26 Leedens in the index (which would not include Leedings and other variations) and 18 of those were born in Hunts and most of them in Somersham.
Shout if you need any follow ups as a result of the 1841 findings.
Still looking for John b c1793 who may have been your George's uncle, just to tidy up ends!
Regards
David
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1841
HO107/86/9 Folio 14A
Castle St, Cambridge St Giles
John Bentley 46 labourer
Sarah Bentley 40
Neither born in Cambs
1851
HO107/1760 Folio 851B
Pleasant Row, Cambridge St Giles
John Bently head marr 58 Greenwich pensioner b Oldhurst
Sarah Bently wife 48 b Oldhurst
(I can do Cambs 1851 but not Hunts)
I'll leave interpretation to you!
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Cottingham
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Hi,
Thank you for all this information.
Do you know what became of George Bentley's siblings?
Did his sister Hannah marry a William Abbs? If so, would it be at all possible for you to look them up in the census' that you have.
Thank you.
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lindajae
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William Bright b approx 1844 married to Rebecca Prime b approx 1843 were my gggrandparents. My ggrandmother was their child Betsey who came to America at 16yrs old. I knew Rebecca died and William was a Widower for awhile. But I didnt know her name until now. After he married Lizzie what happened to the children he had with Rebecca. I know they were getting older but where is 14 yr old Charles? My GGrandmother fled to USA at 16 and didnt speak well of her father. The Census 1851 has Williams parents name, his siblings, and a father or grandfather to William Bright residing with them. William nearly named his children with Rebecca the same as his brother & sisters. I want to thank you both for Chatting about them because I never knew Williams wife's name (I had it narrowed down to two) and the name of his new wife (was curious). I'm very interested in the Census info for 1841 if David could still give this information for William Bright and maybe find something on Rebecca Prime. I will be forever grateful!!
I will provide the 1841 Census info for person: Cottingham who is asking info in the next posting (my computer keeps signing off and I want this to get posted).
Thank you all so much....
Lindajae
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lindajae
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1851 Census St Ives on fiche by Hunts FHS
Francis "Frank" Bright h m 43 ag lab born Needingworth
Elizabeth Bright w m 45 ag lab born Needingworth
Phoebe d u 19 dyers assistant born Needingworth
Ann d u 17 dyers assistant born Needingworth
Betsey d u 15 dyers asst born Needingworth
Frances d 13 Born St Ives
John s 11 Scholar born St Ives
*William s 6 Scholar born St Ives (this is our William)
Chas D s 3 born St Ives
James f (father of Frank) wr (widower) Late Farmer born: Needingworth
***CORRECTION: The census says "f" for father. James is the Grandfather b. 1754 97yrs old
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Enjoy!!
Lindajae
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lindajae
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1851 Census for St Ives on fiche by Hunts FHS
I forgot to put their location during this census:
CROWN YARD
This was at the top of their names that was emailed to me by a researcher.
I searched all over the web and couldnt find anything except a bar called "Crown Yard". Was that a street?
LindaJae
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lindajae
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One more thing:
Lissie Bright & William Bright are on the 1901 Census at: www.census.pro.gov.uk
You have to pay to see all the info but they show you the person (one at a time) if you search for them. She is listed as Lissie Bright. County: Huntingdon The civil parish: Somersham
He still has occupation as: Coal Agent. I only found two of their 5 children. I found Bernard & Olive (doing separate searches) and no Margarita (unless her name is Gladys Bright-middle name?). Point of interest: My GGrandmother Betsey daughter of William Bright & Rebecca (half sister to Lissie's kids) named her only daughter Olive. The same name as one of Lissie's daughters that was about 15 yrs when my Betsey left for America.
Hope I have given back a little piece of info you have given me!
Lindajae
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lindajae
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I'm sorry... Olive was 5 yr old when my GGrandmother Betsey Bright left for America. She must have been very close to her to name her daughter Olive also.
LindaJae
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