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Topic: 1841 Northiam Lookup Please - Noakes (Read 390 times)
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Dimps
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Hi Tom,
In Northiam I have found:
Jane Noakes (20), a "female servant" living at Copland in the house of a veterinary surgeon and his wife, Moses and Matilda Body (both aged 30).
There is possibly a James Noakes (60). Place appears blank, surname unclear, cannot read occupation.
Again, not clear if they are Noakes: William (53) Tailor; Susanna (53); Lucy (14); Frances (8 )
The only definite Noakes I can find in Northiam is Jane.
In Brede I have found:
At what appears to be Cackle Street:
Sabina Noakes (12) - occupation looks like FS (female servant, I assume). She is in the household of an Agricultural Labourer and his family - surname looks like Polhill.
At Brede Hill: Robert (40) - can't read occupation; Mary (35); Richard (15); Harriet (35). There are some other people in the household with different surnames (one of whom is a tailor by the name of Hill).
I decided to look at nearby Udimore:
At Wick House there were:
William Noakes (35), Ag. Lab.; Ann (35); Mary (13); Martha (11); A girl beginning with S (7); Emily (4); Eliza (2); William (1m) and a Henry something - not Noakes - (19).
This Mary is too young to be yours, I suppose?
Best wishes
Deborah
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Tom V
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 Hi Deborah,
I cannot thank you enough for the thorough search, but, thank you very much. I have the ages for Mary Noakes as 29, 39, 50, 69 in the 1851, 61,71 & 81 census respectively, so I am fairly certain of the age that she should be. I have applied to the GRO for her marriage certificate, so I may have a few new clues such as her father's name when that arrives. Maybe she was a Mary Jane Noakes and is the servant in Northiam, I don't know.
Would you mind please, having a look for her husband, Edwin Playford, who was born in Brede and lived in Brede until at least 1871. He should have been about 18 and lived near his parents Stephen & Sophie who were at Broadland Row in Brede in 1841.
His age was 27, 38, 49 in the 1851,61 & 71 census, all in Brede
Thanks Muchly!
Tom
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Apologies, Tom. I have found a lot more of Brede that I had missed, with lots of Noakes's. Not your Mary, yet, though. I'll have a look over the weekend and transcribe them all. I'll continue to look for Mary and for the Playfords.
Deborah
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Broadlands Row is about 500 yards from where my mother-in-law lives!
More Noakes in Cackle Street:
Richard 45 Carpenter
Mary 40
Thomas 20
Caroline 17
Richard 13
Edward 11
Robert 9
S....(?) 7
Harriet 5
Barbara 3
Noakes in Cock Maidlands:
John 35 Ag. Lab.
Jane 30
Harriet 7
Thomas 5
James 4m
Noakes in Broadlands:
George 25 Ag. Lab.
Eliza 25
Caroline Polhill 8 (visitor)
David 20 Ag. Lab.
Charlotte 20
Thomas Foster(?) 60 (can't read occupation)
Mary Noakes 70
David Noakes 9
Mary Noakes (40)
Charlotte 15
Louisa(?) 13
Priscilla 12
Sarah 10m
Thomas 13 Ag. Lab.
Alfred 10
Henry 8
David 4
Playfords in Broadlands 
Stephen 40 Ag. Lab.
Sophia 40
Mary 15
Ann 13
Noakes in Turnpike Road from Brede Green:
David 45 Ag. Lab.
Ann 40
Thomas 12
James 5
Francis 1
N K (2 weeks?)
There are some more Noakes in Udimore, north of the Turnpike Road at Marshalls:
Noakes L...(?) 40 Ag. Lab.
Jane 45
James 15
Jane 15
Elizabeth 10
Simon(?) 15(?)
3 other boys (can't read)
Noakes in the Vicarage in Udimore, south of the Turnpike Road:
John Noakes 40 Ag. Lab.
Sarah 13
John 11
Caroline 9
Spencer 7
Sarah Masters 55
In the Old Workhouse, Udimore, south of the Turnpike Road:
Robert 40 Ag. Lab.
Elizabeth 40
William 20
Sarah 18
Robert 15
Ellen 13
Harriet 5
George 2
Noakes in Sedlescombe:
In Sedlescombe Street:
Edmund Noakes 20 Carpenter
Harriet 20
Harry 5m
Henry 50 Carpenter
Ann 50
Jonathon 20
Eliza 18
Lucy(?) 15
Mary 14
Frances 12
Hester 10
Thomas 8
Swales Green:
George 58 Ag. Lab.
Elizabeth 48
John 5
There are some more Playfords in Sedlescomb if you are interested. One of these could possibly be an Edwin, but he is only 11.
Sorry, I couldn't find Mary or Edwin.
By the way, I noticed your earlier posting about Barnes. In West Sussex there is a West Stoke, North Stoke and South Stoke...
Deborah
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If I have the right group of cottages in mind - they are closely-grouped, set back from the road and lower than the level of the road.
Deborah
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Having looked at various places in East Sussex, the area was heaving with Noakes.
I spotted the following "Traders" in Brede in the Post Office Directory 1851:
Noakes John, Farmer
Noakes Richard, Carpenter
Noakes Robert, Farmer
None in Northiam, though.
Deborah
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Hi Tom,
Noakes in Turnpike Road from Brede Green:
David 45 Ag. Lab.
Ann 40
Thomas 12
James 5
Francis 1
N K (2 weeks?)
They were all born in the county. N K was male.
I'm very sorry, but I missed out Dinah Noakes, aged 10 - she was listed between Francis and N K. Significantly (or maybe not) there is a female servant in the house, Dinah, surname looks like Berwick, aged 45.
Deborah
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Absolutely Fantastic
Thanks Deborah! The addition of Dinah age 10 really makes this fit well. The Dinah Berwick is the right age to be Dinah Noakes from Udimore, but I haven't been able to tie those Noakes to these Noakes.
I found this family online , that closely matches the David & Ann Noakes in the 1841 Census
1 David NOAKES 1795 - b: 15 May 1795 in Brede,
+Ann MILHAM
2 David NOAKES 1820 - 1869 b: 12 May 1820 in Brede
+Charlotte CUTBUSH 1822 - 1855 b: Abt. 1822
2 Marianne NOAKES 1822 - b: 05 Mar 1822
2 Spencer NOAKES 1824 - b: 08 Feb 1824 in Brede
2 Robert NOAKES 1825 - 1825 b: 03 Jul 1825 in Brede
2 Abigail NOAKES 1826 - b: 29 Oct 1826 in Brede
2 Thomas NOAKES 1829 - b: 01 Mar 1829 in Brede
2 Deniah NOAKES 1831 - b: 01 May 1831 in Brede
+George Polhill
2 Lewis NOAKES 1835 - b: 04 Oct 1835 in Brede
2 Emily NOAKES 1837 - 1839 b: 25 Jun 1837 in Brede
2 Francis Henry NOAKES 1839 - b: 20 Oct 1839 in Brede
2 Amos NOAKES 1841 - b: 25 Jul 1841 in Brede
In the BMD there is a Spencer Noakes that died in 1838, possibly this Spencer
So in 1841 assuming the older children have moved out, this Noakes family would look like
David 45
Ann
Abigal 15 - (probably working elsewhere)
Thomas 12
Deniah 10 (other references support Dinah as the correct spelling)
Lewis 5 - (James Lewis Noakes perhaps)
Francis Henry 1
Amos (newborn)
The Marianne Noakes listed above, has the correct birth date to be my Mary (Mary Ann) and none of the family trees gave her a birth place, so for her, Northiam could work. Possibly Ann Milham was from Northiam and visiting family at the time of birth. I believe that Northiam is within 4 miles of Brede, please correct me if this is wrong. The brother David who moved his family to New Zealand about 1845ish, named his first daughter Mary Ann Noakes which would also suggest that his sister was a Mary Ann.
Mary's marriage cert gave David Noakes as her father and residence as Brede. Is there an index on the 1841 for David Noakes, that could show there were no others of appropriate age in the area?
Thanks again,
Tom
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Hi Tom,
Northiam and Brede are very close. If you do get a chance, do visit - it's a lovely part of the country. One of my favourite gardens, perhaps my favourite, is in Northiam - at Great Dixter.
Unfortunately (mainly for me, at the moment) the 1841 Census is not indexed.
Since looking for your Noakes's, I've noticed that the forename Spencer was very popular in that part of East Sussex. The part of Sussex I have been researching is West Sussex and had not come across it at all. I'd thought it more of a modern phenomenon. The schoolmaster and enumerator in Udimore was called Spencer (and one of his sons) and one of the Noakes next door.
I've had another look at your family. You are quite right, James is not James, but Lewis. It's quite obvious now I've been told. P.M. coming up.
How's Vancouver at the moment? Here is South East London we've shifted from snow to a balmy 18 deg C. from one week to another. I visited Canada in the late seventies (that dates me...) I was visiting relatives in Stonewall, Manitoba, and we did a round camping trip travelling to, ultimately, Edmonton and back.
Best wishes
Deborah
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