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Hi to all on this posting - it has made fascinating reading , seeing I was at school in Estcourt with some of them. keep up the snippets.
Ruth
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Hi Ruth , Which Hesom was it that you were at school with -my mom and aunt were in Estcourt High in the years before the war
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Sorry! About 40 years later in the early 70's!!! My parents still live in Estcourt.
Ruth
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I don't know if you know any of the Albers that were/ are in Estcourt. My mom's cousin lives there he is the son of a Hesom daughter, my grandfather's sister. She married Jim Jennings who was native commissioner in Nongoma for a while I don't know the whole story, but my mom and aunt were invited to the prince regent at that time's wedding, my mom was about 10 so it must have been 65 years ago, and the wedding took 4 days, my mom was only there for the one day she said it was fascinating. Jim owned a dairy farm in Estcourt that belonged to my grandfather once and he bought it. Noel still lives there as far as I know. I have been a little absent from my computer, my kids are in Mooi River at the moment at boarding school, they should be back next week. I had hoped that they would love it but after Danish life and schools they are spoilt for the more rigid English style schooling system I am afraid.
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Hi there,
Yes the Albers lived down the road from us. We knew the Jennings - my sister was at school with Ken - I think he is living in Durban, somewhere fairly close by - i see his wife from time to time. My parents are about to move to Durban in a few weeks time after being in Estcourt for almost 40 years - not as long as most people in Estcourt!
Ruth
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Hi Marion & Ruth
Don't you just love this .... all the dots starting to connect up and becoming an historical picture! Wonderful stuff! Also quite addictive - I knew it would be!
Marion, did you see the message I posted to you on 23rd August? Were your grandparents George and Isabella and were your dad's brothers and sisters Doris, Isobel, Dudley and Norman? If so, then your dad and mine were first cousins, my dad was the son of Robert Hesom and Ida Bowen.
Our great-grandfather was George Hesom (the one in the newspaper article I posted last week) who married Susannah Walker. Our great-great-grandfather was Robert Hesom of Rugby and he married Elizabeth Wade, one of 10 Wade children - Ann, Alice, Jonathan, Mary, Robert, Joseph, Elizabeth, Catherine, Sophie and William Marston. The following is an article I found in amongst my dad's family papers:
"Notes sent to Aunt Ann Hesom by Robert Large, collected during a cycling tour of Rugby" (no date given)
William Marston was to be married to Betsy Kibworth but they both died unmarried.
Samual Arthur became a parson. Buried in Yardley Church.
Alice came to South Africa. Ancestor of all Wades, also Surtees.
Jonathan went to Australia left all his money to his cousin. Was never heard of again and the banks amalgamated and no trace could be found so the money has disappeared.
Robert Bullivant was a tanner. His daughter wanted to become Mrs Wm Wade, nothing came of it.
Your ancestor (Elizabeth) married Robert Hesom, a builder of Rugby.
Sophie was getting ready for the Church (her wedding). The bells were ringing but changed to tolling when Edward was carried on a hurdle past the house.
The church register went back for many more years but what with bad Latin and the Parsons using the Register, no record of what happened.
The Wades, though appearing by name as far back as 1272 could not be connected up until Robert and one of the Brudenals, ancestors of Lord Cardigan, married two sisters in 1700. Previous to 1495 it was Stonton. The Brudenalles wanted to call it Brudenell. In 1495 Robert Brudenall married Margaret Wyville, and that is where Stonton Wyville got its name.
In 1760 one of the Brudenells was created Baron Brudenell of Stonton Wyville, subsequently Lord Cardigan, leader of the Light Brigade in the Crimea.
Previous to 1820 the Hall near the church was three times as big as now and the seat of the Brudenell (Stonton) at least four times bigger than it is now and a thriving village. He moved practically all Stonton to Deane Hall (Deen) and only left one third of the church. He took the peal of bells to Deene on leaving, one bell of which is inscribed William Wade - Church Warden.
From 1834 all registrations of births and deaths and marriages came under Government control and recorded at Somerset House. Previous to 1834 the records were kept by the Parsons; some neglected and some very good."
I have copied it exactly as I have it in front of me (spelling and all!) and there are some things I can't tie up, eg who was Samuel Arthur? He doesn't appear as one of the Wade children, but maybe he was.
My dad had told us that Lord Cardigan (he of the Charge of the Light Brigade fame!) fitted in somehow, but will need to read the article again slowly to understand where and how he is connected, but it seems it is through marriage and not an ancestor.
My sketchy family tree goes back to two generations before Elizabeth Wade (Mrs Robert Hesom) dating back to about 1700.
Marion - the Aunt Ann mentioned above was our grandfathers' (George & Robert) sister.
I can see that a large piece of A2 paper would come in very handy right now, so that the family can spread out a little and become easier reading!
John (SW19 on this site) has given me the name of someone who is working on a Hesom family history, so I will get in touch with him in the next week or two and see what he has been able to find.
I have one more article to post, but need to get going now, so will have to save that for another time.
Until then, regards to all. Rosie
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Hi Rosi,
What a story !!! Yes, the tree that I come from is the oldest brother of the family ie George Cyril Plummer Hesom who was the brother of Doris, Isabel,Dudley and Norman. He was my grandfather, so that makes you my great aunt! My mom whose name was Rae Cynthia Hesom , Now Rae Cynthia Montgomery, was the youngest daughter of Cyril as he was called and my Gran ,Eilleen May Albers. The oldest daughter being called Wendy Belle (I think). She is now deceased but my mom is 76 and living in south Africa. Dudley has a daughter who lives in England, Margaret Carboni and I have given her this website name. Also My mom's cousin Norma George, who is the daughter of Norman. Gee I get confused with all this, you are right I need my mom here to help my memory. Have to get some ink so that i can print this all out. Will have to continue this another day! Cheers.
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Hello all. What interesting reading this makes. I can't believe that my enquiry regarding my great aunt Ida Constance should end up bringing so much to light. Even my husband is interested! As a matter of interest I understood that George Hesom married Elizabeth Wade on 28th Sept 1841 in Rugby and in 1843 George Thomas was born, then Robert followed in 1845. These two lads were then put aboard the Nile Steamship with Alice Wade and the rest of the Wade family. Fascinating stuff. All the best Patricia.
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Hi again Who was Georgina Hesom b1880, d 1958 father Robert ,his wife being a Newbolt?
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Hi All
Thanks for all that info Marion, gee I've never thought of myself as being old enough to be anyone's great aunt!! Actually, we are probably more like second cousins-once-removed! Will work it out when I get a chance! Sorry, I got your generation wrong, you did tell us that Cyril was your grandfather and not your dad - I just forgot, what with all these generations, names and relationships (and the fact that I do have greying hair)! Can't stop now as I have work to do but will continue next time.
Peep, I will see if there is a Georgina, she is possibly in Robert's line. Will let you know next time. I'm sure you and I are second cousins aren't we, if our parents were first cousins?
Cheers, Rosie
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Hi Rosi. You are always so busy. Yes that does make us second cousins. I have some newspaper cuttings about the Bowen family, however I am very poor at typing so I will have to get wound up. Did you know that Ida's twin brother was Named Horace? For a time he was Music Master at a well known school just up the road from where I live. He also did quite a bit of composing, some of which was published. I have a book that she gave to him called Music Study In Germany. Inside it reads. "To dear Horace with much love from his sister Ida C B. Christmas 1902" Patricia. ps. Did you have a look on the website for St Leonards Bilston?
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Hi Patricia
I see you are on line at the moment ... I was just about to post something to you on the site! Sorry, I have been very remiss about responding to your various postings, all of which have made for fascinating reading - thank you so much for all the info you have supplied and are still going to supply I'm sure!
In answer to one of your earlier queries re Elizabeth Wade (1817-1852) my tree shows that she married Robert Hesom and that their son, also Robert, married Ann Newbold and together they had 6 children - George, Walter, Newbold, Lilian, Owen and Georgina, who you were also querying.
Yes I did know that Ida's twin was Horace but not all the other information about him, thanks for all that. It sounds as if he was a very talented young man, what a shame he died so young. I would love to know more about him. What is the name of the school where he was Music Master?
Growing up I had no idea that Ida had had such a tragic life and suffered so many losses, although I did know about the two babies she lost. I only ever saw her smiling, she was a very dear little person - my name for her was 'Danny' - I still picture her towards the end of her life, sitting at the window of her first floor apartment in Rondebosch (Cape Town) smiling down at me as I arrived to visit her. Now, of course, I have so many questions to ask her ...!
Yes, I eventually remembered to have a look at St Leonard's Church, what a lovely little church it is and it sounds as if it looked that way at the time of Ida and Robert's marriage as well. Fancy you being baptised there also.
Did you receive the private mail I sent you last week?
Looking forward to hearing from you again. Till then, best regards, Rosie.
PS I must remember to tell my cousins and other relatives about this site, they will be equally interested.
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Hi Rosi. I have found some old photos and I am going to try very hard to get them on this post! These children are Ida's nephews. Alan the eldest, Bernard next,Kathleen, and then last my father Ronald. Their father was Alan Lewis Bowen who died in 1921 leaving his wife with four youngsters. The three eldest were sent off to school and my father stayed at home. He was areal tyrant, but very much favoured by his grandma. His mother could not cope with his escapades, and much to his grandmas chagrin she eventually packed him off to school to join the the others. Apparently gt gran said "He will go away over my dead body!" His mother retorted with. "What will be!" Anyway my father was always a free spirit from start to finish. Never a dull moment, but he always had time for his mother, and his siblings. The first photo is them as children, the second is them as young adults.
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Me again. All of those people in the photographs are dead. As far as i know only my grandfather (alan Lewis) your gran Ida and Kendrick had children. Kendrick had two girls. My relatives knew nothing of this until a school reunion some years ago, by which time my father had died. Anyway we had a reunion about twelve months ago. I shall send you a personal message. Bye for now. Peep.
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Hi Rosi. Is one of these ladies Ida?
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