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Grothenwell
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Wagstaff
« on: Thursday 24 March 05 23:17 GMT (UK) » |
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Hi,
I am pretty new to genealogy, and a total novice in the English set up. I have found my Great great Grandparents Thomas and Elizabeth Wagstaff of Herefordshire in the 1871, 81 and 91 censuses, but where do I find out about their marriage and their births, parents etc?
Any help or pointers most welcome.
Thank you
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Booth, Watson, Grothenwell, Ewen, Mackie, Simpson, Taylor, Davidson, Willox, Chalmers & Gordon
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linnet
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Re: Wagstaff
« Reply #1 on: Friday 25 March 05 16:49 GMT (UK) » |
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Hi - hope this helps
Births, marriages and deaths registration started in 1837 and there is a free web site http://freebmd.rootsweb.com which is quite a good place to start. You do need to know which registration district the place of birth was in and you should find this on www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/places/.
FREEBMD is by no means comprehensive but it is FREE and you can then send for birth, marriage and death certificates (which give quite a bit of information) by quoting the quarter the birth happened the volume and page number and the district and placing an order online at www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/. Copies of certificates cost £7.00 each
Another useful site is www.familysearch.org which again is by no means comprehensive but FREE and holds a lot of parish records, some as early as 1500 and some up to the late 1800's
Hope this is a start
If you need any more help, let me know
Linnet
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Grothenwell
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Re: Wagstaff
« Reply #2 on: Friday 25 March 05 19:05 GMT (UK) » |
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Hi Linnet,
Firstly thank you very much for posting your message.
I am not getting on very well, i'm afraid, probably too thick to use the English system, I'm used to actually seeing Scottish certificates on Scotlandspeople.org and being able to see OPR's on Microfilm.
As I said, I have them on all 3 censuses (well Elizabeth on 1871 only).
Thomas has his place of birth as Tarvin, Herefordshire in '71, but Suckly in '81 & '91. His birth would have been circa 1836, so it won't be on the BMD, ( I may have found his death 1898 on Ancestory.com, but it'd be annoying and expensive to send for the cert only to find It is the wrong Thomas). There are a couple of marriages with a Thomas Wagstaff, but they are after the birth of their first two children, and the strange fact it doesn't mention who the spouses are!
As for Elizabeth. Her POB is Llanvihangel, Hereford ( the fhsc site says the county should be Mon!!) I don't have her maiden name. (Again I may have found her death 1875 on Ancestory.com, but it'd be even more annoying and expensive to send for her cert only to find It is the wrong Elizabeth, also there are 3 years difference on her death details DOB compared to her DOB in the census).
I may just have to bite the bullet and send for the death certs that may be inncorrect, but if anyone has any more avenues for me to try first? Jumping the gun a bit here, but if they are the correct DC's and they have the parents mentioned what direction do I search pre 1837?
Thanks,
John
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Aberdeenshire; Brechin, Robb, Clark, Hardie, Johnston, Watt, Elmslie, Milne, Harper, Adam, Edmond, Laing, Gibson, Aedie, Jameson, Tosche, Measonne, Anderson, Moir, Nicol, Burnet, Donaldson, Guthrie, Argo & Doverty.
Booth, Watson, Grothenwell, Ewen, Mackie, Simpson, Taylor, Davidson, Willox, Chalmers & Gordon
Still, Fraser, Robertson & Lumsden
Banffshire; Cruickshank, West
Caithness; Sutherland
Herefordshire & Worcester & Monmouthshire; Wagstaff, Jones &
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Grothenwell
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Re: Wagstaff
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 26 March 05 00:04 GMT (UK) » |
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Hi
I have been told that if it is their death cert that it wouldn't have her parents on it anyway.
I was advised to look for Thomas & Elizabeth's childrens birth certs.
Once I started I realised I had searched Ancestry.co.uk and familysearch.org before. Similar results this time, a few close matches with names, and Hereford, but the district mentioned in the "birth" page doesn't match the birth place or parish mentined in the censuses.
I have found the marriage cert for my Great Grandmother, if I send for that do they normally mention mothers maiden name?
Grothenwell
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Aberdeenshire; Brechin, Robb, Clark, Hardie, Johnston, Watt, Elmslie, Milne, Harper, Adam, Edmond, Laing, Gibson, Aedie, Jameson, Tosche, Measonne, Anderson, Moir, Nicol, Burnet, Donaldson, Guthrie, Argo & Doverty.
Booth, Watson, Grothenwell, Ewen, Mackie, Simpson, Taylor, Davidson, Willox, Chalmers & Gordon
Still, Fraser, Robertson & Lumsden
Banffshire; Cruickshank, West
Caithness; Sutherland
Herefordshire & Worcester & Monmouthshire; Wagstaff, Jones &
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sarah
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Re: Wagstaff
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 26 March 05 00:13 GMT (UK) » |
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Hello Grothenwell,
You will be pleased to know that there is a Wagstaff "one name study group"
Here is a link to more information.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,1000.0.html
It is really worth while you making contact with Barbara Kent who runs this group, I am sure she will be very pleased to hear from you 
Sarah 
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Grothenwell
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Re: Wagstaff
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 26 March 05 00:16 GMT (UK) » |
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Thank you Sarah,
I'll visit straight away
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Aberdeenshire; Brechin, Robb, Clark, Hardie, Johnston, Watt, Elmslie, Milne, Harper, Adam, Edmond, Laing, Gibson, Aedie, Jameson, Tosche, Measonne, Anderson, Moir, Nicol, Burnet, Donaldson, Guthrie, Argo & Doverty.
Booth, Watson, Grothenwell, Ewen, Mackie, Simpson, Taylor, Davidson, Willox, Chalmers & Gordon
Still, Fraser, Robertson & Lumsden
Banffshire; Cruickshank, West
Caithness; Sutherland
Herefordshire & Worcester & Monmouthshire; Wagstaff, Jones &
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linnet
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Re: Wagstaff
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 26 March 05 17:04 GMT (UK) » |
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Hi again
I have been checking the IGI (family search.org) and there is a Thomas Wagstaff christened in Suckley which at the time was in Worcestershire - 31/5/1835 with parents James and Alice. There is also the following entry on the 1881 census for Little Dewchurch, Hereford (but I presume you have seen this?)
Thomas WAGSTAFF Head M Male 43 Suckly, Worcester, England Ag Lab
Mairia WAGSTAFF Wife M Female 38 Weston, Hereford, England
James WAGSTAFF Son Male 12 Canon Pyon, Hereford, England Scholar
Tom WAGSTAFF Son Male 5 Canon Pyon, Hereford, England Scholar
Albert WAGSTAFF Son Male 3 Canon Pyon, Hereford, England Scholar
Louisa WAGSTAFF Daur U Female 15 Canon Pyon, Hereford, England
Teresia WAGSTAFF Daur Female 11 Canon Pyon, Hereford, England Scholar
Rose WAGSTAFF Daur Female 8 Holm Lacy, Hereford, England Scholar
Sarah WAGSTAFF Daur Female 2 Canon Pyon, Hereford, England
I have also found Rose's (Rosa) baptism on 28/7/1872 in Holm Lacy. and her mother was Elizabeth, but I can't find any other baptisms. Thomas married Maria Cooke in the Hereford district)between July and September 1875 (on FREEBMD)so Elizabeth must have died between 1872 and 1875 and Sarah must be from the 2nd marriage.
Unfortunately I can't find Thomas and Elizabeth's marriage. It may be worth requesting a "look up" on the 1861 census to see if they were together then.
There is another Wagstaff born in Canon Pyon on 1881 census living with the Dening family at Canon Bridge, Madley, Hereford. I would think that it is highly likely that she is another daughter as a map of Canon Pyon shows that its a very small village and "Alice" appears to be the name of her paternal grandmother.
William B. DENING Head M Male 35 Hull, Somerset, England Farmer Of 252 Acres
Selina DENING Wife M Female 32 Bishop Hull, Somerset, England
Benjamin E. DENING Son Male 2 Madley, Hereford, England
Lena M. DENING Daur Female 11 m Madley, Hereford, England
Elizabeth WATKINS Serv U Female 24 St Margarets, Hereford, England General Serv (Domestic)
Alice WAGSTAFF Serv U Female 16 Canon Pyon, Hereford, England Nurse (Dom)
I have found Rose's, Louisa's & Albert's registered births: Rose's was registered in the Hereford district which includes Holme Lacey and Louisa & Albert's in Weobley district which includes Canon Pyon. Their birth certificates would state mother's maiden name. The only other alternative is to ask some kind person of they can look up St. Lawrence's church at Canon Pyon's parish records.
Hope this is of some help. Let me know how you get on.
Linnet
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Re: Wagstaff
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 26 March 05 18:45 GMT (UK) » |
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Linnet,
You are wonderful and very kind. I will get one of the birth certs sent to me so I can find out Elizabeth's maiden name.
I had seen the 1881 (& '91) censuses.
I'd also searched the IGI for Thomas, but I think that I'd been looking for "Tarvin, Hereford" as his POB as mentioned in Anc.co print out, I don't know why as the actual print out of the '71 census form states "Froom, Hereford". Why it changes to "Suckley, Worcs" in '81 & '91, I don't know.
Never mind if it's in the IGI as Suckley and his DOB fits in that's good enough for me.
I'm away to look it up.
I'll certainly let you know how I get on.
John
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Aberdeenshire; Brechin, Robb, Clark, Hardie, Johnston, Watt, Elmslie, Milne, Harper, Adam, Edmond, Laing, Gibson, Aedie, Jameson, Tosche, Measonne, Anderson, Moir, Nicol, Burnet, Donaldson, Guthrie, Argo & Doverty.
Booth, Watson, Grothenwell, Ewen, Mackie, Simpson, Taylor, Davidson, Willox, Chalmers & Gordon
Still, Fraser, Robertson & Lumsden
Banffshire; Cruickshank, West
Caithness; Sutherland
Herefordshire & Worcester & Monmouthshire; Wagstaff, Jones &
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