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KateW
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Hello again Andy,
I've had a good look. I already found the marriage details of Donald Ross and Mary Mackay from the parish register on Scotland's People so was able to print off the entry for that. I would like to know about their parents if possible. I wonder if their births may have been in the Parish Register and showng the father at least? As you say, from Mary's Gaellic name it looks as if her father was William. The Family Search records (Pedigree Resource File) shows the marriage and if you click on Mary's father William it shows his father as James. (It goes back 21 generations to 1060 and has some interesting characters. (If only they all had that much info)
The details about their children are great. Donald obviously progressed from Tenant to farmer - which is positive!!
Ann Ross (and Donald White/yte's) details are for the right one but I think the Donald White you have found married to Janet Gordon is our Donald's uncle (brother of his father). I have Carole Nortje (Whyte) to thank for a lot of the Whyte records I have.
Our Donald's father John was married to Ann Fraser in (I think) 1765. His patronymic name was Macuilliam Macomash so we thought his father was William and grandfather must have been Thomas. I wonder why the person we thought was his brother (Donald who married Janet Gordon) has the patronymic name Macdholicomash which as you say looks like son of Donald son of Thomas 
Yes, I am interested to know more about the brothers of Mary Mackay, Donald and Robert.  You offered details of those & I would like to know more if you have it.
Also anything you can find about the previous generations of:-
John and Donald Whyte- father William b. abt 1700 Durness.
mother of Ann Fraser (daughter of John Fraser) chr. 6 Mar 1742 Golspie.
parents of Donald Ross b abt 1750 Balnaceil.
mother of Mary Mackay (nin Uilliam)
Am I right in thinking that it was often only the father recorded?
The names are nearly as frustrating as my Lewis and Davies Welsh side - so many name repetitions!!
Thanks so much for looking - hope you can find me something else.. 
Kate.
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Devon:- Hunt, Parnell & Dennis;
Surrey:- Candler, Read;
Bucks:- Garner, Adams, Perkins:
Portsmouth:- Fayrer, Taylor & Bucklan;
Liverpool:- Garner, Wolstenholme & Case;
Llandovery, Dyfed:- Nicholas;
Aberaeron, Ceredigion:-Lewis, Davies, Rees;
Durness, Sutherland, Scotland:- Whyte, Ross, Mackay.
Aberdeen, Scotland:- Pittendreigh/igh/each.
Kent:-Millen, Brenchley, Cotton, Quin;
Netherlands & Kent:- van Steelandt;
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KateW
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Andy,
I see looking back to your first post on this thread that your Durness parish register goes back to 1760 so I suppose the dates I've asked for will be pre these records. 
Kate.
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Devon:- Hunt, Parnell & Dennis;
Surrey:- Candler, Read;
Bucks:- Garner, Adams, Perkins:
Portsmouth:- Fayrer, Taylor & Bucklan;
Liverpool:- Garner, Wolstenholme & Case;
Llandovery, Dyfed:- Nicholas;
Aberaeron, Ceredigion:-Lewis, Davies, Rees;
Durness, Sutherland, Scotland:- Whyte, Ross, Mackay.
Aberdeen, Scotland:- Pittendreigh/igh/each.
Kent:-Millen, Brenchley, Cotton, Quin;
Netherlands & Kent:- van Steelandt;
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cheryl Hughenden
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Andy where do I search to find births or christenings (other than the IGI)being issue from a marriage after 1817. Have got some elusive McIntosh's.
Thanks Cheryl
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IanB
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Hi Kate,
I do not wish to be discouraging, but , although the J & J website is a tremendous effort, I have noticed several mistakes, mainly in connecting Mackay families in the Durness P.R. to known families, e.g those published in the Book of Mackay, without stating sources. This might be the case with Mary Mackay. If I recall it correctly, her father's patronymic was Mac Uilleam MacNish. Nish is a name often recorded in the Durness P.R. and apparently stems from the name Naos, a form of Aonghus, i.e. Angus. After "Mac" it takes the genitive "MacNaois" (in imitated Gaelic "MacNish"). This means that William's father would be Angus, not James. When I find some time, I will browse through the Book of Mackay for a William who is the son of Angus.
Ian
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KateW
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Hi Ian,
Very good of you to take interest and thanks for the offer to look. Do you have a copy of the Book of Mackay or is it in a record office?
KateW.
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Devon:- Hunt, Parnell & Dennis;
Surrey:- Candler, Read;
Bucks:- Garner, Adams, Perkins:
Portsmouth:- Fayrer, Taylor & Bucklan;
Liverpool:- Garner, Wolstenholme & Case;
Llandovery, Dyfed:- Nicholas;
Aberaeron, Ceredigion:-Lewis, Davies, Rees;
Durness, Sutherland, Scotland:- Whyte, Ross, Mackay.
Aberdeen, Scotland:- Pittendreigh/igh/each.
Kent:-Millen, Brenchley, Cotton, Quin;
Netherlands & Kent:- van Steelandt;
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IanB
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Hi Kate,
I do have a copy of The Book of Mackay, acquired some time ago. Some large libraries, often reference libraries, have one.
It used to be on line at this address:
http://books.google.com/books?id=GiMNAAAAYAAJ
Good luck,
Ian
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GeraldM
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What a great thread!
My gggrandfather was John R. Morrison who was born ca1806 according to his headstone and death record. His parents were Neil and Janet Morrison but I have found nothing else about them.
His wife was Catherine MacKay who I believe was a daughter of Donald MacKay and Catherine MacLeod and was born in 1805. I also believe, but no proof, that they were married in 1826. (This from the IGI). They emigrated to Shelburne, Nova Scotia ca 1827 where he acquired land and eventually became the ferryman at Jordan River.
I was wondering if there was anything in the record concerning John R. and his parents. I don't know what the R stands for - could be Ross as he had a son John Andrew Ross Morrison.
There were a number of Scottish families that came to Shelburne from Sutherlandshire in the early 1800s. Two of them were brothers William and Robert MacKay, William in 1803 and Robert in 1816. William married Catherine Morrison of Thurso, his cousin, whose parents were William Morrison and Margaret Ross. William and Catherine were my ggggrandparents
Robert MacKay married Janet Murray, the granddaughter of Rob Donn, in 1816 shortly before they came to Shelburne. Her father was Hugh, a son of John and Ann (Morrison) Murray and her mother was Christina, a daughter of Robert and Janet (MacKay) Donn. This info is from some typewritten notes that I got from my aunt many years ago and was originally written by Robert and Janet MacKay's grandson, Henry Squarebriggs MacKay.
Thanks for any help.
Gerald
There are many descendants of both brothers in the Shelburne area.
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IanB
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Hi Gerald,
I can confirm some things but not others. The Baptism of Catherine Mackay was recorded in the Durness Parish Register June 22, 1805, parents; Donald Mackay farmer in Achunahanait, and Catherine MacLeod.
I could not find a baptism for John R Morrison, or a marriage.
I could not find a marriage of Robert Mackay and Janet Murray but I can tell you that there was a Janet Murray born to Hugh Murray and Christina Calder/Donn/Mackay Sept 15, 1788. When Hugh Murray died, Christina married a John Morrison (mac Uileam, mac Uisdean, mac Eachainn ruaidh) They were my 4 x great grandparents. You might find it interesting to read "The world of Rob Donn" by Ian Grimble.
It would help to find some of your ancestors if you knew the places of birth and marriage.
In the meantime, I will check a few other sources.
Ian Morrison
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IanB
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Gerald,
This site covers part of your family
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/l/a/Jennie-Blades-NS/GENE3-0001.html
I have some other information which I shall try to put topgether, tomorrow.
Ian
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IanB
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Gerald:
Keoldale, mentioned in the above web site, is a large farm (and community) just south of Durness, which suggests that the christenings of William and Robert and the marriage of their parents might be recorded in the Durness Parish Register. However, I cannot find any mention of them. Another puzzling thing is that William married his cousin who was from Thurso. I suppose you might find something if you searched ScotlandsPeople ( or whatever the name is - I don't use it because I am too Scots.)
The entry for the marriage of Donald Mackay and Katherine MacLeod is quite lengthy and informative:
"Corporal Donald Mackay (son of William Mackay, late farmer in Achuhanait, and Eupham MacLeod, his relict) , R.F. Highlanders . . . Katherine MacLeod. daur. of George MacLeod, Piper in Ceanlochbhirobhie*. 11 Dec, 1798" The MacLeods were a piping family in the parish. *Kinlochbervie
Ian Grimble, in "The World of Rob Donn", mentions a piper by the name of George MacLeod who married a Catherine Mackay, the piper being a friend of Rob Donn. Perhaps this was him.
Their marriage entry 1775, 1 Feb : George macLeod, piper, . . . Catherine Mackay, in Ceanlochbhirovie.
I hope this helps.
Ian
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GeraldM
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Thanks again, Ian, I really appreciate the research you have done on my behalf.
I checked out that link to Jennie Blades' site and she has done a great deal of work. William MacKay (she says William Currey MacKay) died in 1829 rather than 1867 and is buried in the Shelburne Presbyterian Cemetery. Our problem in Shelburne is that the Presbyterian records are missing from 1783, when the town was founded, until the mid 1820s which creates many a genealogical problem.
I downloaded the Book of MacKay from Google books and will print it off one of these days because I don't relish reading books off the computer. Not recommended to curl up and fall asleep with a computer on your lap. :-) I had a look for "The World of Rob Donn" at Chapters-Indigo but they are out of stock. Will try the local library and may find it there, after all this is New Scotland.
I mentioned earlier that a number of families from Durness and area came to Shelburne in the early 1800s, Hugh Morrison, son of Hugh, was one of them. He was born ca 1872, had been a private in Reay's Fencibiles, and became a school teacher at Shelburne. Another was George Morrison and his wife Catherine. He was b.ca 1805, John Bethune and his wife Ann Morrison came there in 1848 and there was a brace of William Morrisons that don't seem to fit anywhere and a Robert Morrison who kept a road house. Then in 1817, Donald, Robert, David, Hugh and Donald (2) MacKay, Hugh and William Morrison and Finley Bethune took up land at Clyde River, about 20 miles from Shelburne.
Thanks for the item on the marriage of Donald MacKay and Katherine MacLeod. It is always nice to see some flesh on the ancestral bones. Their daughter was raised by her MacLeod grandmother according to an old letter I read.
Many thanks,
Gerald
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walker_mckay
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Hi All - Like Gerald, I trace my McKay family to William and Catherine Morrison McKay who came to Nova Scotia in the first decade of the nineteenth century. Let me shorthand my line: William C. McKay and Catherine Morrison to Margaret McKay (1806-1899) who married George Swansburg;
Gerald is quite correct in that there are many who trace their ancestry to William and his brother Robert in that area. There was, however, another set of McKay families quite possibly related. I wonder if they ancestry or alliances would hold any clues to the origins of our Donald and Barbara Morrison McKay? Could you please entertain this question for a moment?
I've found a few distinct lines in Shelburne. The early ones trace their origins to regimental soldiers who mustered out at Port Roseway after the American Revolution and those (like William & Robert) who came to the area in the early 19th century. There is one line, however, that possibly shares blood ties with William and Robert Mckay.
There was a David McKay who by tradition was born in Scotland in 1793 and left Thurso to Nova Scotia in the first quarter of the nineteenth century. He married a Janet McPherson (1799-1893), who was the daughter of Lauchlan McPherson and Elizabeth Urquardt.
With this said, does anyone know of a particular context that would have lead/forced William or his parents to Thurso by the 1800s? I've tried to be objective and not wedded to any theories about a possibly connection between the families of David McKay and the brothers William and Robert. I have come to think of Thurso as merely a jumping off point for my (Gerald's) William and this David McKay.
Would there be any record for a David McKay born in 1793 in Durness or perhaps nearby Balkaniel (sp)? His family included the following boys: Lauchlan (for her father) William, David, Donald and Peter. Beyond names, I have few hints as to his parents possible identity.
I'd appreciate any thoughts or comments on the movements of the McKays between Sutherland and Caithness during this time period.
Best wishes,
Inez Reed
Question, is Doane an anglicised version of Donn? It appears as a middle name used in David's son Peter's family.
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