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walker_mckay
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Hi Gerald - Yes, I think we may have cracked the PM code  My grandfather was young Sutton. I remember him speaking of an auntie who lived at Jordan Ferry. We are, indeed, third cousins.
Prior to this email, I had only known what my grandfather Sutton told me about his grandmother's family. I remember asking him where Catherine McKay came from and he replied "Glasgow". He also said that she was the granddaughter of Sir John Ross but not the Sir John Ross we know as the explorer.
What you've outlined pretty well fleshes out what grandfather Sutton had told me many, many years ago.
Now the McKays, that's another kettle of fish and probably very elusive fishes at that! Do you think that the David McKay )b. 1793) who came to Shelburne around 1815 and married Janet McPherson was related to our William? One of his grandchildren carried Currie as a middle name. One named Margaret (b. 1856) married Thomas Swansburg.
I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts on the subject either through PM or via this forum.
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Inez
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MaggieAnne
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My great grandmother Isabella Mackay & her 8 siblings were born in Durness.
Isabella Mackay born 27 Jul 1840. She married Alexander Holm Mackenzie on 20 Nov 1819 in Cromarty. In an article written about my grandfather, Donald Alexander Mackenzie, it stated that "Isabella Mackay was a direct descendant of Rob Donn - Rob Donn Mackay." I have yet to make the connection.
Is there someone out there who may have an interest or connections to my Mackays?
Thank you.
Maggie
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IanB
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Hi Maggie,
It would appear that one of your year-dates is incorrect, i.e. born 1840; marrried 1819.
Also, it would help if you told us the names of Isabella's parents.
Rob Donn appears in the Durness parish register under several different surnames, the most common being Donn/Down or Calder. At least 2 of his daughters married Mackays.
Ian
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Morrison, MacKay, MacCulloch, Sutherland, Dingwall, MacLeod, Donn, Calder,
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MaggieAnne
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Hi Ian: Sorry about that-marriage date was Isabella's parents, William Mackay b.11 Jun 1791 Kilmuir Easter and Janet Mackenzie b.1802 in Cromarty - married 20 Nov 1819 in Cromarty.
Isabella Mackay married Alexander Holm Mackenzie on 3 Jan 1871 in Church of Scotland, Cromarty and had 8 children - 2 notables are Donald Alexander Mackenzie and William Mackay Mackenzie - you may wish to "google" for further information.
Yes I was aware of the different surnames of Rob Donn but cannot make the connection - do you have his lineage?
I also have Alexander Mackay b.30 April 1756 who married an Anne Matheson on 24 Feb 1785 in ROC. Please let me know if you want any further information. Kind regards Maggie
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walker_mckay
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Does anyone know how to best go about getting an OPR look-up on the cheap (yes I'm optimistic)? It occurred to me that I had a marriage date for our William McKay and Catherine Morrison in Thurso in 1803 and a copy may have more than listed in the IGI. Do most of the OPRs contain information on groom's town, bride's town? Has anyone used the LDS family history centres to go through the OPRs?
Cheers,
Inez, the ever tight-fisted
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Guy Etchells
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Don't forget the Durness Parish Register 1764-1814 is available on CD.
Cheers
Guy
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walker_mckay
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Hi All - I found an obituary for an Alexander Morrison who died in 1884 in New Brunswick. The text states that Alexander was born (about) 1796 in Ellon, Aberdeenshire but grew up in Golspie. His father was in the employee of the Duchess of Sutherland. He emigrated to New Brunswick, Canada in 1811 with his family (whole or in part).
Would anyone have any guesses about Alexander's family, specifically, his parents?
Sincerely,
Inez
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mgcooper
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I am trying to track down information about my 5xggrandparents Hector Morrison & Barbara Fraser. Unconfirmed information shows Hector born in 1748, Barbara in 1857, and their marriage in 1773. A couple of their children may have been born in Scotland also (Hector, Catherine, Alexandre, Barbara, and / or Marianne). I suspect that some of this information may be in the Durness Parish Register book.
They emigrated to New York shortly thereafter, and apparently fled to Canada at the time of the American Revolution. I have a pretty good trail once they reached Canada, but before then is pretty sketchy. Also, I've not been able to definitively link the Hector Morrison & Barbara Fraser in Scotland with the Hector & Barbara Morrison in Canada. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,
Mark Cooper.
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walker_mckay
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The marriage of Hector Morrison, Sartigrim and Barbara Fraser, Achunahainat, took place on 6 September 1773 and is listed in the Durness Records on page 63, Parish Register of Durness 1764-1814, Scottish Record Society, Edinburgh, Vol. 26.
Cheers,
Inez
Now where did they (the children) end up? Shelburne, NS or elsewhere in the Maritimes
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walker_mckay
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From Betty Loomis UE regarding questions on John Ross
Responses re John Ross who settled in Hopetown, Gaspe
[John married Catherine Morrison, daughter of Hector Morrison, a loyalist who moved to the same region in 1784 to a town called New Carlisle.]
The following is extracted from material received from Yvan Goulet a direct descendant of Alexander, son of Barbara Morrison.
"Barbara , 1st. married to Hector Morrison, Loyalist, whose farm - according to Burleigh's list of confiscated lands - was at Kortright's Patent, Tryon County, State of New York and was confiscated in 1783.
In Return of Royalists & their families, dated 05 Sept. 1779 at Machiche Camp, Mrs. Morrison is listed as having three children with her.
On March 25,1781 she is referred to as a "poor widow" - 4 children, 2 under age 6 and 2 above.In one document concerning refugees, Barbara is reported as having been born in Scotland, her name appears among those of other women who came from New York, Pennsylvania, England, Ireland... She is unattached to any military unit.
Then we find that Barbara was married to a Donald Fraser and in 1784, Barbara (Barbary) married Duncan McCraw (McCrawd) (McKra) in the Anglican Church, Three Rivers and settled at St.Cuthbert as a farmer, which was near Machiche (Yamachiche).
Duncan McCraw died 10 June,1803 and in his Will he gives the names of his wife's four children borne from Hector Morrison and then the names of his own nine children"
Hector Jr, Alexander, Barbara, Marianne are believed to be Barbara & Hector Morrison's children. Alexander m: Julia Revour (Yvan's ancestors).
Names of the other children (by Duncan McCRaw) are - Mary b: 16 June 1785, Ann b: 05 July 1786, Isabella b: 25 July,1787,Twins: Donald & Jennet b: 27 Aug. 1789, Duncan Jr. b: 17 July,1791, Alexander 19 Jan. 1793, Sarah b: 01 Feb. 1795 and Elizabeth b: 31 May, 1798.
[Unless a middle name, perhaps Catherine was from a different family?]
...Bev Loomis UE, Little Forks Branch
Happy Hunting,
Inez
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mgcooper
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Thank you very much for the responses. Most of the commonly known information about Hector & Barbara comes from three web postings. I have been chasing down the primary sources, but still some questions, inconsistencies, and holes remain.
John married Catherine Morrison, daughter of Hector Morrison, a loyalist who moved to the same region in 1784 to a town called New Carlisle.
I agree that this seems to strongly suggest that Catherine was a daughter of the Hector Morrison I'm researching and not some other Hector Morrison living at the time (there appear to have been several), despite the fact that her name is not listed in Duncan McCraw's will.
"Barbara , 1st. married to Hector Morrison, Loyalist, whose farm - according to Burleigh's list of confiscated lands - was at Kortright's Patent, Tryon County, State of New York and was confiscated in 1783.
In Return of Royalists & their families, dated 05 Sept. 1779 at Machiche Camp, Mrs. Morrison is listed as having three children with her.
On March 25,1781 she is referred to as a "poor widow" - 4 children, 2 under age 6 and 2 above.In one document concerning refugees, Barbara is reported as having been born in Scotland, her name appears among those of other women who came from New York, Pennsylvania, England, Ireland... She is unattached to any military unit.
Then we find that Barbara was married to a Donald Fraser and in 1784, Barbara (Barbary) married Duncan McCraw (McCrawd) (McKra) in the Anglican Church, Three Rivers and settled at St.Cuthbert as a farmer, which was near Machiche (Yamachiche).
Would all of these references have come from Burleigh's book? I have requested a copy through inter-library loan, but if anyone knows if the text is online anywhere I'd appreciate it.
This brings us to the question of the last name Fraser. We have the Barbara Fraser and Hector Morrison in the marriage record from Scotland, but that is the only primary source reference that I have found to it. It seems unlikely that Barbara had married someone else in Scotland before Hector (unless she was really, really young), and while she may have married Donald Fraser in Canada before marrying Duncan McCraw, it would be a pretty big coincidence that both of their names were already Fraser (I haven't found a source for that marriage yet either).
It seems that the key to this whole thing would be an immigration record that places Hector, Barbara, and some set of children on a boat between Scotland and New York. I'm still looking.
Finally, to answer your question about where the children ended up: I am descended from Hector and Barbara's son Hector (as opposed to Hector's son Hector by Ann Lane). Barbara and Duncan McCraw moved to St. Gabriel de Brandon while Hector and Ann Lane settled in New Carlisle--there are lots of Drouin Collection entries for the family.
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walker_mckay
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Hi Mark - In trolling through the UELAC site, Betty Loomis' chapter seems to have accepted Yvan Goulet's documentation. There's little explanation other than that it had been accepted. I don't think that Burleigh's format was like that found in the text I sent you. I saw a sample entry of Burleigh's work and it seemed far more detailed and "legal" in its tone. I think Ms. Loomis/Mr. Goulet excerpt bits for publication in the UELAC website. While I've had zero luck getting them to share their references, it may be worth while to contact that chapter and see what they got from Goulet.
The reference that I sent along to you on Hector's marriage was taken from the online text of the Durness Register. If you look at the entries, it is usually noted when the bride was widowed. I think Fraser was her maiden name.
Regarding Ann Lane, I see there's some debate on if Hector was one or two men. It could be the same man given the nature of the fighting in Schoharie, NY. Barbara may have thought she was a widow. With that number of children under the age of eight, she have plenty of motivation to make another marriage. If it were the same Hector, Barbara and their children would have been well ensconced in a new life.
I'll have a look online and see if Burleigh's work comes up anywhere.
Let me know what you find, please,
Inez
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SuzM
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Andy, you are a star, many thanks for the offer - you might be sorry you did!
(By the way before I start, is it possible to purchase a copy? I would happily do my own look ups if I could get hold of one)
In the meantime anything you can find on any of the following would be much appreciated:
John Sutherland (or MacRory) married to Barbara McKenzie who had Roderick Sutherland, ch 09.09.1793 @ Durness. They also had John b.1787, Flora Forbes b.1792 and Rachel b.1785.
Also George McKay and Jean Morrison who married I think 19.01.1790 @ Durness. think Jean was b. 04.02.1771 @ Durness and her father might have been George.
they had a daughter Mary McKay b. 15.11.1792 @ Durness.
There's lots more but those would be great to help me on my way.
Many thanks
Ellen.
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I am trying to find out who Roderick Sutherland, ch 09.09.1793 @ Durness married.
I have seen 2 different wives: -
Mary MacKenzie born 1791/92, died 1861/71
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Mary MacKay born 1792 Crospoll, Durness, Sutherland, Scotland, died 1867 Sangomore, Durness, Sutherland, Scotland.
I have a picture of the Tombstone from Balnakiel Cemetery.....In memory of Rory Sutherland who died at Saingo 24th March 1864 aged 72 years. Also his Wife Mary Mackay who died 18th March 1867 aged 75 years. Erected by their Son Angus.
Angus Christening: 2 Dec 1834, Durness, Sutherland, Scotland.
Children of Roderick (Rory) Sutherland and Mary MacKay:
Kenneth Sutherland, John Sutherland, Boyce Mackenzie Sutherland, Jean or Jane Sutherland and Agnus Sutherland.
Any help appreciated.
Thanks
Suz
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Mackay/MacKay/McKay and the variant spellings, Nicholson, Torrington, Figg
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IanB
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Hi Suz,
The Sutherlands and the Mackays from Durness are sometimes difficult to unravel. Apart from trying to establish which Mary married the Roderick Sutherland born 09.09.1793, can you tell us who you are trying to trace?
A distant cousin, Angie Lamb, sent me some of the information she had found, and she has him marrying Mary Mackenzie, but she did not send a confirming reference.
I can tell you, though, that at least three you have shown as children of Roderick and Mary Mackay were, in fact, children of Mary Mackenzie. They are Kenneth (Nov 8, 1820); John (Oct 20, 1823); and Boyce MacKenzie Mar 26, 1826). Angie has shown all those you listed as children of Mary Mackenzie, and I can confirm that Jane/Jean and Angus are shown as siblings of Boyce in the 1851 census.
It is curious that in the Balnakeil Burial Ground, #67 records Kenneth Sutherland (Angie's family); #68 records Boyce Sutherland (again Angie's family) and #69 records Rory Sutherland (and Mary Mackay (the one you mentioned)
I suppose it is just possible that Mary Mackenzie and Mary Mackay are one and the same?
Not much help I'm afraid; but don't give up.
Ian
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Morrison, MacKay, MacCulloch, Sutherland, Dingwall, MacLeod, Donn, Calder,
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