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Can anyone help sort this lot out please
« on: Friday 28 May 10 09:06 BST (UK) »
Sorry this is going to be a long one but I'll try to put all the bits together.
I know it's going back a very long way, but I'm having difficulty with who's who in the early part of the tree I found in Google books.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/08ry/

Thomas Naters is my 5xg/grandfather, he was baptised in 1705 according to IGI and "living 1738" refers to the birth of his daughter Elizabeth who was my 4xg/grandmother (noted as a Yeoman on her baptism record)
I have found all (I think) his sibling's baptisms with father Ralph Naters. The only problem is that Thomas and a sister Elizabeth (1711) are baptised Chester le Street and all the others are at St Andrews, Newcastle. Is this wrong or feasible?

Back to the original question...
Who are Matthew (smothered in William Brandon's pit)
Cuthbert (Tailor's app)
Were they brothers of Ralph?
As for the really early ones...oh so tantalising, but who goes where??

Thanks for reading this, Sylvia


Main names:
Scotland (Travellers) - Townsend/Townsley
Lanark and Stirling - Jeffrey.
Northumberland/ Durham - Newton, Nixon, Sharp, Greaves, Naters
Warwickshire and London - Garfield.
Ireland, Co. Kerry - Marah/Meara/Mara
Lincs - Smith, Vinter

other offshoots - Berry, Steven, Craig, Atkins, Fuller, , Stewart, Conway, Heather,

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Re: Can anyone help sort this lot out please
« Reply #1 on: Friday 28 May 10 20:15 BST (UK) »
Nicholas Natters married Margaret Footrop sptr at St Nicholas Newcastle on June 6th 1726.
The Brandling family owned much of South Gosforth and part of Jesmond, which latter was an extended part of St Andrews parish, Newcastle. Sandyford lane was the boundary of the borough of Newcastle for a long period. Sandyford Stone seems to have been a house owned by Mr John Andrew in 1749 though it may have  been let of course. John Natters of Long Benton the next parish to the east married at St Nicholas in 1760.
An overman at that time was usually a skilled man in charge of mining operations, so he might have been employed away from his usual place for some years.
Hope this is of some use,Peter


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Re: Can anyone help sort this lot out please
« Reply #2 on: Friday 28 May 10 21:12 BST (UK) »
Thanks Peter   ;D this is an interesting family.
I found this on Nicholas too...
In 1739 Sir James Clavering the then proprietor of Hodshon surface land conveyed to Nicholas Naters (who signed his name Natters) Sandiver Close a messuage or cottage house in the same and 4 rigs or butts of land in the Mill Close

On the tree it says he was a 'waller' is that to do with mining as well? I had visions of him building those wonderful stone walls.
Main names:
Scotland (Travellers) - Townsend/Townsley
Lanark and Stirling - Jeffrey.
Northumberland/ Durham - Newton, Nixon, Sharp, Greaves, Naters
Warwickshire and London - Garfield.
Ireland, Co. Kerry - Marah/Meara/Mara
Lincs - Smith, Vinter

other offshoots - Berry, Steven, Craig, Atkins, Fuller, , Stewart, Conway, Heather,

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Re: Can anyone help sort this lot out please
« Reply #3 on: Friday 28 May 10 21:25 BST (UK) »
I've also searched for info on William Brandons pit (mine) but all entries seem to be a lot later than the death of Mathew in 1623
Main names:
Scotland (Travellers) - Townsend/Townsley
Lanark and Stirling - Jeffrey.
Northumberland/ Durham - Newton, Nixon, Sharp, Greaves, Naters
Warwickshire and London - Garfield.
Ireland, Co. Kerry - Marah/Meara/Mara
Lincs - Smith, Vinter

other offshoots - Berry, Steven, Craig, Atkins, Fuller, , Stewart, Conway, Heather,

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Re: Can anyone help sort this lot out please
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 29 May 10 18:19 BST (UK) »


 Sylvia,

 A couple of Naters snippets- perhaps too modern for you.

 Book " The Histories and Antiquities of the Town and County of Newcastle upon Tyne" by John Brand, published 1 Mar 1789.

Listed as one of the many subscribers was " Mr Joseph Naters of Sandifordstone"

In early Newcastle Trade Directories he is listed (up to 1801) as brewer .

Then also in directories R. Naters appears as brewer and wine and spirit merchant, from early 1820s ( no directories available to me between 1807-1820) until 1847, R. Naters ( sometimes entered as Ralph) business address "Side" or "8 Side" , home listed as Sandyford, Sandyfordstone, or Snadyfordstone bridge. 1847 edition has R at Sandyford Lodge.

 ( I was interested to see that Ralph brewed "Porter" as well as beers - World famous Dublin Guinness Stout was originally called " Porter" ! )

Michael
Names.

GALLAGHER ( + variations).
Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo. IRELAND.
Ontario, CANADA
Lowell, Ma, USA
Counties of Northumberland & Durham, ENGLAND
-------------------------------------------------------------------
MALEY/MELIA/MALLEY  - with or without " O "
Westport Co Mayo. Northumberland
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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 29 May 10 18:48 BST (UK) »
Sidegate was the extension of Newgate St outside the town wall at New gate,now called Percy St. St Andrews church was just inside the gate.
There is a plan of Jesmond with field names in the Northumberland County History Vol  XIII showing Mill close and Sandyford Close in the area now called Jesmond Vale. Sir James Clavering was the owner 1707-1740 before Andrew. Perhaps Sanddiver was a corruption of Sandyford.
Sandyford Lane was also known as Sandyfordstone Lane
Charlton's "Newcastle Town" published 1889 refers to Rennison's mill at Jesmond vale and an old feud between the miller and Old Ralph Naters the brewer over a right of way which came to fisticuffs.
Wallers were employed underground building stone supports for the roofing.
Peter   

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Re: Can anyone help sort this lot out please
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 29 May 10 19:41 BST (UK) »


 Peter, there was/is also a thoroughfare called just "Side", running downhill from St Nicholas's Cathedral to the Tyne.

Michael

Names.

GALLAGHER ( + variations).
Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo. IRELAND.
Ontario, CANADA
Lowell, Ma, USA
Counties of Northumberland & Durham, ENGLAND
-------------------------------------------------------------------
MALEY/MELIA/MALLEY  - with or without " O "
Westport Co Mayo. Northumberland
-------------------------------------------------------------------
DIXON
Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle, ENGLAND

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Re: Can anyone help sort this lot out please
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 29 May 10 21:19 BST (UK) »
 ;D Thanks guys, lovely stuff  :-*

That Ralph, merchant and brewer, (1786-1862) married Dorothy Trewhitt (9 children)
and was the son of
Joseph, brewer, (1737-?), married Ann Henzall) (10 children)
Joseph was the son of
Nicholas, the waller (1703-1752) who married Margaret Footrop.(5 children)
Nicholas was the son of
Ralph of Sidgate, overman (1677-1724) haven't found his wife yet, but have narrowed down 8 children including Thomas (1705-?)

Still haven't found Cuthbert or Mathew as brothers of Ralph (1677-1724) so was looking at Ralph of Whickham, the father on the tree. Is that the way you read it?
There is a possible baptism in 1612, and marriage to Frances Vicars in 1627 (a bit young maybe) Chester le Street. I assume the "dead in 1659" bit refers to his son Cuthbert's apprenticeship.

Also a couple of tantalising bits from Durhamrecordsonline....
Whickham burials 1576-1699 updated
There were epidemics of bubonic plague in 1610, 1626,  1645, 1646, and 1648, corresponding to similar epidemics in other parts of the country.
[Note: date between 12 Aug - 3 Sep]
15 Sep 1610 Isabell Nattresse, died on the Fell of the plague
*

Burials, Gateshead District - Record Number: 277634.2
Location: Whickham
Church: St. Mary
Denomination: Anglican
24 Oct 1645 Frances Nattresse, widow
[Note: Note in margin next to this group of deaths says "Dead in the plauge in lodges upon the fell since the 28th April, to & when the 6th Jan except them which are markt in the mergent with this mark :A:". This burial is not marked with an A, so we assume it is a plague victim who died in the quarantine lodges.[/i][/i]*

Do you see my dilemma? All these lovely snippets, but where do they fit?  ::)
many thanks, Sylvia



Main names:
Scotland (Travellers) - Townsend/Townsley
Lanark and Stirling - Jeffrey.
Northumberland/ Durham - Newton, Nixon, Sharp, Greaves, Naters
Warwickshire and London - Garfield.
Ireland, Co. Kerry - Marah/Meara/Mara
Lincs - Smith, Vinter

other offshoots - Berry, Steven, Craig, Atkins, Fuller, , Stewart, Conway, Heather,

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Re: Can anyone help sort this lot out please
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 29 May 10 21:40 BST (UK) »
Still haven't found Cuthbert or Mathew as brothers of Ralph (1677-1724) so was looking at Ralph of Whickham, the father on the tree. Is that the way you read it?
There is a possible baptism in 1612, and marriage to Frances Vicars in 1627 (a bit young maybe) Chester le Street. I assume the "dead in 1659" bit refers to his son Cuthbert's apprenticeship.


Ooops no...I think I've got this wrong..too far back! All these Ralphs are so confusing!
Main names:
Scotland (Travellers) - Townsend/Townsley
Lanark and Stirling - Jeffrey.
Northumberland/ Durham - Newton, Nixon, Sharp, Greaves, Naters
Warwickshire and London - Garfield.
Ireland, Co. Kerry - Marah/Meara/Mara
Lincs - Smith, Vinter

other offshoots - Berry, Steven, Craig, Atkins, Fuller, , Stewart, Conway, Heather,

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk