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squancette
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Thomas lockyer, look up please prior to 1896
« on: Sunday 27 March 05 22:49 UTC (UK) »
Hi, I am new to this web site, and am looking for help.

I am looking for information about Thomas Lockyer born c1867 Eridge, Married 14/11/1896 to Nellie Jane White.
Occupation blacksmith.

I am unable to find Thomas Lockyer on 1871, 1881, or 1891 census.

Fathers name blank and occupation blank on 1896 marriage certificate.

Was told by my late grandmother 20 years ago that his parents names were William Lockyer and Jane Stiles/Styles. Am unable to find these names with Thomas also.

Any help much appreciated, too far away to visit Sussex myself.

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Re: Thomas lockyer, look up please prior to 1896
« Reply #1 on: Monday 28 March 05 09:59 UTC (UK) »
I agree that he does not appear to be in the indexes.

Next to try is all in other info from the marriage certificate.
Witness's names, addresses given. Date of marriage.
What was his given age at marriage?.

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Re: Thomas lockyer, look up please prior to 1896
« Reply #2 on: Monday 28 March 05 15:39 UTC (UK) »
Hi,

His age on the marriage certificate is 30. The date was 14/11/1896. The witnessses names are John Charlie Lewis Whiting and Ada Cornwall. I know that Ada Cornwall is Nellie Whites' cousin, and that she was living with the Cornwalls' at the time of the 1881 census. I have no connection with Whiting, hadn't thought of looking up this name! I said that I needed help!

The address for Thomas on the certificate is The Steep, Jarvis Brook.

Nellie's address is Hadlow Down, although she was born in Brighton.

The Marriage took place at The Parish Church in the Parish of Rotherfield.

I know that my Great Grandfather was probably always a blacksmith, as he had his own forge whilst my grandmother grew up and she was born 1910. All nine of Thomas' children were born 1898 onwards and registered at Uckfield, and he spent the rest of his life in Sussex. Dont understand why he isn't appearing there earlier.

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Re: Thomas lockyer, look up please prior to 1896
« Reply #3 on: Monday 28 March 05 16:06 UTC (UK) »
Wow the witnesses married each other in 1897!!!!

Still can't find Thomas though!

Thanks Alex
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Re: Thomas lockyer, look up please prior to 1896
« Reply #4 on: Monday 28 March 05 16:20 UTC (UK) »
According to the 1901 census Thomas Lockyer, age 34,  was born in Eridge so that is where you should start.  He is a Shoeing and General Smith living in New St Rotherfield   Nellie is 29 b Brighton.  May age 3 and Gordon age 1   
ref P 897 F9
If you can connect him back to Rotherfield there is a Thomas Lockyer there in 1871 age 78 who is a retired blacksmith, age 78.  Wife Philadelphia age 58.  I also have them in the 1851 index for Rotherfield if you need it.   Look for different spellings of Lockyer - Lockier etc.
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Ps Just seen the first bit of this thread!    There is a William age 22 in Rotherfield in 1851 living at Renley Farm.
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Re: Thomas lockyer, look up please prior to 1896
« Reply #5 on: Monday 28 March 05 16:34 UTC (UK) »
Hi, I also have these Lockyers from the 1851 census saved in the hope that given that they are blacksmiths that they are related. Also Thomas named one of his daughters Philedelphia.

But I am missing the step inbetween. I don't have a birth date only year, so am unsure about obtaining a birth certificate for him to confirm his parents names.

Thanks for the tip about  different spellings of Lockyer I will give that a try.

Thanks Alex
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Re: Thomas lockyer, look up please prior to 1896
« Reply #6 on: Monday 28 March 05 16:45 UTC (UK) »
There is a William Lockyer who married Mary Moon in 1852.  They have a son William T Lockyer who is 15 in 1871.    Might be a connection?    You will probably need to search 1837online for a marriage for a William to Jane Stiles - even if only to discount it, but I would expect your Gran would be right.
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Re: Thomas lockyer, look up please prior to 1896
« Reply #7 on: Monday 28 March 05 16:58 UTC (UK) »
I don't think that these William's can be right for Thomas' father, one is too young and the other too old. But the William 22 in 1851 at renley farm would have been 38 when Thomas was born so is a good lead.

I will check the 1837 website, I have never used it before, but I am not sure if the names William and Jane are red herrings or not. My gran was already old when she passed the info to me.

Have tried other spellings of Lockyer to no avail so far.
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Re: Thomas lockyer, look up please prior to 1896
« Reply #8 on: Monday 28 March 05 17:15 UTC (UK) »
1837 has all the births, deaths and marriages - just as if you went to London to look at the really heavy books.   It does cost a bit (though not much in comparison with a train fare to go to London for most of us) and you can only look at one page at a time but it saves a lot of wasted effort if you can prove that marriage.    As Philadelphia is a name passed down I am sure you will get back to Thomas  the blacksmith in the end.
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Re: Thomas lockyer, look up please prior to 1896
« Reply #9 on: Monday 28 March 05 17:23 UTC (UK) »
I have pinned "Steep" down in 1891 Rotherfield. Thomas age 24(ish) is not there.
For future ref: here is a shortcut to the place.
Avery, Athalstan 41 b Rotherfield, Sussex
RG12/783,  Uckfield , Rotherfield  Folio  6  

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Re: Thomas lockyer, look up please prior to 1896
« Reply #10 on: Monday 28 March 05 17:44 UTC (UK) »
Have you looked at the Sussex weald site?   Link at the top of this board.   It has the 1851 and 1881 census for Rotherfield which if they have been transcribed by locals might well be much more accurate that any American efforts.    You can probably search the surrounding villages too.
Try Sockyer - L and S are often muddled.   
It will be worth looking at the original marriage entry in the church register if you can - Lewes record Office?
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Re: Thomas lockyer, look up please prior to 1896
« Reply #11 on: Monday 28 March 05 18:34 UTC (UK) »
Thanks for the 1837 online info. I have found Thomas Lockyer's birth 1866, Uckfield, and ordered a birth certificate from the family Resource centre, so should have some answers in a couple of weeks.

In the meantime,
I've been on the Sussex Weald for the 1851, have not tried the 1881.
Am also trying Sockyer!

Thanks again Alex
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