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Maude VAN-OKKER
« on: Wednesday 13 October 10 05:49 BST (UK) »
I am in Australia looking for family details of Maude Van-Okker.

According to Freebdm, she married William Sibley, (my wife's 1st cousin twice removed), in 15 December 1909, in West Ham District. aged 25 and born in Camberwell SW, William was 35, born on 23 February 1875.

According to the Marriage Certificate, her father was Charles Van-Okker (deceased) who was a Jeweller, and her address given was 11 Chobham Road, Stratford. William lived at 22 Hamfrith Road Stratford, and was a wine & spirits ganger & valuer.

In 1919, William started divorce proceedings against Maude, and in September 1921, she married Charles Summers Harvard, the Co-respondent.

I am seeking any information about Maude and her parents and other ancestors, and whether she had any children with William. I have tried without success, so i hope someone can assist.

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Re: Maude VAN-OKKER
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 13 October 10 07:11 BST (UK) »
Could only find this -

UK Incoming Passenger List
Maud Van Okker age 28
Port of Departure: New York, United States
Arrival Date: 6 Oct 1907
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ship Name: St Paul

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Re: Maude VAN-OKKER
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 13 October 10 07:55 BST (UK) »
Possible hit?!

Alice Maud Ocker, born June quarter 1880, Marylebone. Vol. 1a, page 553.

Dutch names (or Flemish!) call the "van" and/or "van der" and similar, prefixes and ignore these prefixes when indexing/sorting surnames.
Therefore I would expect to find Maud under "O" for Okker, rather than "V" for Van Okker.

Of course, I may be talking a load of tosh!!

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Re: Maude VAN-OKKER
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 13 October 10 08:02 BST (UK) »
In 1911 William (36) and Maud (27) Sibley are living in West Ham, Essex. I don't have access to the details.

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Re: Maude VAN-OKKER
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 13 October 10 08:32 BST (UK) »
I do - very interesting reading!

EDITED FOR CONTENT: Details from the 1911 census are not allowed due to the terms & conditions of the Find My Past website

On another point. If Maud's parents were not British, they may not have registerd the birth with the Registrar's office, but with their own Embassy or Consulate?

Searched FreeBMD for any Maud born in Camberwell between 1880 and 1885 - no Okker, Ocker, van Okker or anything similar.
Closest match is Maud Beatrice Crocker, September 1885.
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Re: Maude VAN-OKKER
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 13 October 10 10:39 BST (UK) »
Searched FreeBMD for any Maud born in Camberwell between 1880 and 1885 - no Okker, Ocker, van Okker or anything similar.
Closest match is Maud Beatrice Crocker, September 1885.

Not the Maud your looking for.
Maud Beatrice Crockers parents were Samuel Richard Crocker & Charlotte Harriett Crocker.

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Re: Maude VAN-OKKER
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 13 October 10 12:55 BST (UK) »
I am seeking any information about Maude and her parents and other ancestors, and whether she had any children with William. I have tried without success, so i hope someone can assist.

Birth
Sep 1915    West Ham
Iris G Sibley   (mother's maiden name Van Okker)

This may (or may not) be the Iris Greta Joy Sibley who married an American in 1945 and then lived in Essex until recently (lots of references to her husband on Google, but he was alive in 2005 so I haven't named him).

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Re: Maude VAN-OKKER
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 13 October 10 19:53 BST (UK) »
13 Oct 1901, Paddington

Charles Benjamin Marcus Okker, 31, cab proprietor s Charles Okker (decd), diamond merchant
m Edith Annie Kirby, 26


1891  RG12/71/7   St George's Hanover Square
Charles B M Okker, 20, journeyman butcher, b Bonchurch, Isle of Wight


1881   RG11/541
Charles Okker, 45, French polisher, b Holland
Emily Okker, 34, b Ventnor, Isle of Wight
Emma O, 13, b Ryde, IoW
Charles O, 12, b Balham, Surrey
Adolphus O, 10, b Balham, Surrey
Rachael O, 6, b Walworth, Surrey
Samuel O, 5, b Walworth, Surrey
Isaac O, 3, b Walworth, Surrey
Grace O, 1, b Camberwell, Surrey

The youngest four + Annie were baptised at Upper Tooting, Wandsworth on 2 Aug 1885 as chiuldren of Charles (decd) and Emily Okker

Burial at Tooting: 26 Mar 1885   Charles Okker aged 48


1871  RG10/718
Charles Okkers, 34, railway porter, b Amsterdam, Holland, British Subject
Emily O, 23, b Ventnor, IoW
Minnie O, 3, b Ventnor, IoW
Charles O, 1, b Steatham, Surrey

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Re: Maude VAN-OKKER
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 13 October 10 20:07 BST (UK) »
Hi

I see as I posted Richard has also spotted this family - I'll post what I've followed independently


Is the information Maude gives on her first marriage the same as she gives on her second?

Marriages Sep 1921  
Havard  Charles S  Sibley  W.Ham  4a 804    
Havard  Charles S  Van Okker  W.Ham  4a 804    
Sibley  Maude  Havard  W.Ham  4a 804    
Van Okker  Maude  Havard  W.Ham  4a 804


Do the divorce proccedings give any further information?

J 77/1426/3856  Divorce Court File: 3856. Appellant: William Sibley. Respondent: Maude Sibley. Co-respondent: Charles Summers Harvard. Type: Husband's petition for divorce [hd]. 1919


Maude died in 1951 in Essex. Her age on death was given as 69 which would put her year of birth as circa 1881/2.



A possible for Maude's family

Marriages Mar 1874  
Dennis  Emily    St Saviour  1d 203    
OKKER  Charles     St. Saviour  1d 203


1881 census RG11 541 folio
151 Grosvenor Park St Saviour Southwark
Charles Okker 45 Head Married Polisher (French) Holland
Emily Okker 34 Wife Married Ventnor Isle Of Wight
Emma Okker 13 Daughter Ryde Isle of Wight
Charles Okker 12 Son Balham Surrey
Adolphus Okker 10 Son Balham Surrey
Rachael Okker 6 Daughter Walworth Surrey
Samuel Okker 5 Son Walworth Surrey
Isaac Okker 3 Son Walworth Surrey
Grace Okker 1 Daughter  Camberwell Surrey
plus 2 lodgers

Deaths Mar 1885  
Okker  Charles  48  Wandsworth  1d 462

Marriages Jun 1888
JOHNSON  Benjamin Frederick    Wandsworth  1d 976a    
OKKER  Emily Georgina     Wandsworth  1d 976a


1891 census RG12 1369 folio 5
4 ?ford Terrace Ilford Essex
Benjamin F Johnson 34 Head Married Police constable metropolitan Chelsea Middlesex
Emily G Johnson 42 Wife Married Ventnor Isle of Wight
Isaac Okker 13 Step son Walworth London
Grace Okker 11 Step daughter Camberwell London
Annie Okker 9 Step daughter Camberwell London

1901 census RG13 1608 folio
43 Cowley Road Wanstead Essex
Benjamin Johnson 44 Head Married Police constable Chelsea London
Emily Johnson 53 Wife Married Ventnor Isle of Wight
Grace Okker 21 Stepdaughter Camberwell London


Births Mar 1882
O'Kker  Annie     St. Saviour  1d 141

some of the other Okker children's births were registered in St Saviour registration district

2nd August 1885 Upper Tooting Holy Trinity
Annie Okker parents Charles and Emily, Trinity Road, Upper Tooting, father's occupation deceased
also baptised at the same time were
Rachael, Samuel, Isaac and Grace.

1901 census RG13 506 folio 112
117 Rye Lane Camberwell, London
Maud Okkar 19 Draper's assistant Camberwell, London

This gives evidence that Maud Okkar is a strong candidate for Maude Van-Okker. More difficult to prove that Annie Okker became Maud Okker.

However Grace Okker's marriage may be helpful

Marriages Jun 1908  
Okker  Grace Van     Fulham  1a 659


Regards

Valda
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