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Topic: McIntyre: Arran/Holy Isle (Read 5358 times)
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flyderaght
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I've found quite a bit on the scotlands people website-excellent resource. My family were in the whiting bay area, plus the holy Isle where my grandfather John was born in 1902. His father was born in 1867 in blairmore. There is also a Cummings link.
Marc
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Arranroots
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Hi Flyderaght!
My family are also from Arran (now, there's a shock!!  )
Specifically some were farmers on Holy Isle, which if you have seen it is not very big! so at the very least we were neighbours!
Pleased to meet you!
Failing to remember which branch it was, but think it was the KELSOs. will get back to you when the info is to hand.
kind regards
Arranroots 
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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flyderaght
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Yes, my gr grandfather owned the original house where the monks are now based across from lamlash and owned around 100 acres of land if I've read the records correctly.
A question for anyone: Was or is it common for girls to be given full first & last names of female ancestors? I've come across this and thought they were adoptees, but I think I'm correct to think the name has been passed down.
thx,
marc
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Arranroots
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Hello Marc
Certainly in my family there is not much variation in first names - lots of Janets, Williams and Alexanders. In addition, many women are given a middle name which was originally the surname of a grandparent or great grand parent: "Janet McMillan McIntyre", that sort of thing. The first name does not necessarily match - that is to say the grandparent in question was not necessarily Janet McMillan, but may have been Elizabeth McMillan.
I hope this makes sense! I am in touch with some Arran McIntyres in Vancouver - will see what the link is!
My Holy Isle KELSOs were a family of 11 children, father Peter, and they were farmers and fishermen. I have been to the farm in question and scrambled over the top of the island. Unfortunately many of my records are presently inaccessible.
Arranroots
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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flyderaght
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Thanks, I wasn't aware of that, so when I looked at the records they did seem confusing, but it's now cleared up.
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if there isn't a distant connection with those McIntyre's. Could you keep me in the loop on that?
thx,
marc
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Arranroots
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Hi Yoric 
welcome to Rootschat! What a happy discovery - I hope you will find that members can help you with your wife's tree.
I haven't seen the book you mention, but am about to go looking for it! I have the older Book of Arran, which covers many aspects of the island's history and geology.
I am returning to the island in October if anyone needs (modern!) photos - I'll see what can be done.
Kind regards, Arranroots
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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Arranroots
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Aha!
The vessel in question will probably be The Roman, my grandfather's Clyde Puffer. Sadly she was broken up some years ago, but we still have pictures to remember her by!
Good luck with your research and I hope Rootschat will be helpful to you.
Arranroots
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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Arranroots
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Had a thought (beginner's luck) that the picture is more likely my gt grandfather's smack, used to convey stone from Arran to the mainland and goods on the return route.
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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flyderaght
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Hello Yoric and hello to my very distant cousin . I'm assuming the John McIntyre we have in common was married to janet taylor. I'm descended thru His son john and his son John...kinda goes on doesn't it  . My grandfather and his brother plus parents emigrated to Canada and became successful ranchers(sheep-what else would a scotsman do.. ) Interestingly, his parents went back to Scotland in the 1950's.
If your interested the museum on Arran has in it's posession the McIntyre family bible which was donated by a cousin who's now retired on Arran. My father has an oil painting of the home on the holy isle as it looked when the family owned it. It was done by Isabel McIntyre around 1921. I've taken a picture of it, so if you'd like me to send a copy, please email me as I'd be interested to see what you've uncovered. I do believe there is a picture in a London Museum that shows a relative who was a ships master standing at the helm in Glasgow I think.
The names of the children that I have for John & Janet are: John, Anna & Maria.
John's Parents name was James & Catharine McIntyre nee Currie. Janet's parents were named William taylor & Margaret Baird.
John was born Nov. 15th, 1828 Janet March 3rd, 1831 in Ochiltree-she died on August 24th 1894.
Alot of the info I've found was on the www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
I spent some time looking for the book on the web and only the amazon uk site has it as it's a rare book so they say. fortunately , ive inlaws in the london area, so maybe they can help. My problem is I live on the west coast of canada so getting over to buy it isn't an option for me right now.
Please email me @ Moderator Comment:email address removed to avoid spam. Please use Personal Message System to share email addresses. Thank You.
Marc
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flyderaght
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Hi Yoric: thx for the info. There are several cousins in the lincolnshire area of england I believe according to a cousin who lives on Arran as that's where he lived.
the museum on arran, http://www.arranmuseum.co.uk/
has a file on the family. if you email grace small, she deals with the genealogy part of the museum and may be able to photocopy alot of the info for you. In fact, I do have some photocopies of the bible and there is info regarding James McIntyre showing a family tree with birth records etc.
marc
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Arranroots
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Hi Yoric & Marc
Yes, the Glen Sannox was ours! The ferry that serviced the island has been named Glen Sannox too, after the area just to the north of Corrie.
I know that various family items have made their way into the Arran Museum and I am hoping to visit them in October!
Let me know if there is anything I can do to help anyone while I am there.
I wouldn't be surprised to find that my dad has the book you metion already - will check with him. i know such things are available on the island.
My Vancouver McIntyre contacts are still in touch, but not sure what their connection with your tree could be as yet.
Arranroots
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