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Topic: ITALY: Ignazio Mugnaio aka Matthew Miller (Read 1941 times)
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Valda
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What information does the marriage certificate give re Matthew's father?
1875 Dec Liverpool 8b 383
Rose Cosh
Matthew Miller
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Valda
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Valda
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If he truly was a British subject born abroad then the overseas birth records as you know are kept at the Family History Centre at Clerkenwell (I think unindexed by FreeBMD) and there are also some kept with the National Archives at Kew RG32, - when you say Kew yielded nothing, do you mean both these places indexes yielded nothing?
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/bmd/step9a.htm
The Guildhall may have something as well, this website links there.
As Matthew was a seaman one of the ways he could have arrived into this country was joining the Royal Navy in Sicily (of course he could just have easily joined the merchant navy either English or Italian in which case there is very little hope of anything record wise in this country). Again Royal Navy seaman's records are in the National Archives at Kew. After leaving the navy many men transferred to merchant ships.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/military/navy/rnstep1.htm
If he was not a British subject but became a naturalised British subject (or a denizen) then there is further paperwork in the National Archives/
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/naturalisation/
but its unlikely because of the effort involved.
I think of these three sources the most fruitful may be Royal Naval records and even those are a long shot.
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Valda.
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Valda
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Annie
have you tried a local newspaper in Palermo? They might print the story of your search with photograph of Matthew or at least a small insert. Of course you might get replies from people trying it on and you would have to get everything translated, but if anyone in the area has done any family research you might get lucky.
Have you tried the local Palermo telephone directory? How common is the surname?
This website gives links to Italian genealogy websites (I can't see Mugnaio amongst them)
http://www.anywho.com/cgi-bin/webdrill?catkey=gwd/Top/Regional/Europe/Italy/Society_and_Culture/Genealogy/Surnames
I'm sure you've been here before if you've spent all those hours at Kew but it was worth looking just in case it adds anything.
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Valda
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suanj
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We need some fresh eyes -
Matthew Miller ( husband of Margaret Every ) b.1885 - was the son of Matthew Miller born in Sicily about 1852 - and it is believed by the family - his name was Ignazio Mugnaio
1881 census says he was born in Palermo British Subject - all later census say he was born in Liverpool!
One of his greatgrand children went to Sicily last year - to visit the State Archives in Palermo
A professional Sicilian Genealogist was engaged to search the city records - but nothing was found
LDS chuch yielded nothing - after waiting 2 months for copies of births for periods 1850-1860
Kew yields nothing - except stiff necks and sore backs!
many shipping lists etc - yield nothing
copious letter writing - yields nothing
so where can we go from here ? does anybody have any different ideas -
right now we're not seeing wood for trees -
we've walked away and tried to forget about it - but it keeps coming back....
there is much information after his arrival in Liverpool - but nothing before
and the family just wants to know.....
Would really appreciate any suggestions or help
Thanking you in advance!
Hi, excuse my bad english, I'm italian:..
-about Ignazio (this first name is tipically of Sicily) Mugnaio, as you say, but can be MUGNAI (why only this surname is present in Sicily and also no most diffused currently), well, about Ignazio is possible an search in Italian Archives for an search in Liste di Leva=militar service, IF your ancestor are emigrated almost of age 23 old...
If yes, please ask an search in ARCHIVIO DI STATO DI PALERMO you can find it here http://wwwdb.archivi.beniculturali.it/UCBAWEB/indice.html
why are this sources: Ufficio di leva di Palermo, classi 1841 -1921 meaning for males born from 1842/1921 .. I cannot know if this records are of all commons in Palermo province or only for Palermo town...good luck.
regards, suanj
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suanj
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Thank you so much suanj
I really appreciate your help
I've sent a copy of your message to my cousin - as she can read Italian and I can't...!
but from what I can see - that seems like a good resource - thank you again - I'll let you know what we find out...!
Best Wishes
Annie
Yes Annie, really is an good resource, why in Italian archive are many many documents, and also birthregistries; some archive are also the index, so is possible an good search.. about Liste di leva, if they find , on paper are all info you need, why are listed all males in militar service and/or medical check-up for militar service, borns in province ... same request you can send other sicilian archive: Trapani, Ragusa, Siracusa, Enna, Agrigento, Caltanissetta, Catania, Messina.. for my experience I can say you that is very possible that your ancestor was born in west Sicily, also you can write an personal letter in italian language to all MUGNAI in sicily, little community, and to ask if are some relationship with your ancestor.. if, an good luck, someone reply you, he can help you on place... best regards, suanj
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suanj
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Dear Annie,
in this days I searched for you, and,
just an suggestion,
I think possible that the just italian spelling can be MEGNA; in fact are many MEGNA in Palermo area (ancient record especially in Santa Flavia, Ustica, Capaci, Misilmeri etc ) and in Messina area...
I read the Valda posting that on Matthew( or Ignazio) marriage, the father was Jerome=Gerolamo/Girolamo; on familysearch (LSD) are:
GIROLAMO MEGNA
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 07 JUL 1817
Christening: 07 JUL 1817 Santa Flavia, Palermo, Italy
Death:
Burial:
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Parents:
Father: ANGELO MEGNA Family
Mother: RAFFAELA GRAVINA
spouse of Gerolamo MEGNA : NINFA MARTORANO
Marriage: 22 APR 1841 Santa Flavia, Palermo, Italy
this surnames: Gravina and Martorano meaning something for you? Your suggestions?
Regards, suanj
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