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emilysiobhan
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The Malcolm Bland on Genesreunited also has an Eliza Boardman entered........d.1913....so at least he's thinking on the same lines as us.....or knows his own family better than us.
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Cork: Collins,
Herts/Beds: Pope,Harwood
Essex: Bryant, Pumfrey, Williams, Keyes,Totham, Citchen
Surrey/London: Shields, Woolf, Cooper, Quinton, Plumer
other: Cuskern, Domazsewicz
Wales: Morgan, Mathews, Thomas (x2), Trew, Protheroe, Owen
Census information is Crown copyright
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BlandTree
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Hello everyone,
I'm Malcolm Bland, the great nephew of Abraham Bland. I have been fascinated by your discoveries but I have to admit that I know a great deal about the man. Indeed, I hope to write a short biography about him in time for this year's Remembrance Day service.
I am not about to spoil your excellent efforts by filling in any dark areas and I do hope that you will continue to search for information. Already you have filled in some blanks for me.
117 Washway road was pulled down in the 1990s and the address given for a Manchester firm by Arranroots is news to me. An office block was to be erected on the site and I assume you have found one of the firms occupying this.
Don't be shy, EmilySiobhan, I don't bite! Abraham was born in Sale. And I would welcome any help with my research!
JillJ, Abraham never married and he seemed to have disliked the name Abraham, which he probably got from his maternal grandfather, Abraham Boardmen, who was a bleacher.
He enlisted, as Gennig says, as Lionel Gilpin Bland but I have two letters sent from him while in the 28th Battalion of the Canadian Expeditionary Force and he signs them both, "Len". I am desparate to discover which Company he served in on the night of 21st/22nd August 1817 as I have the handwritten reports of the actions each of the four Companies and I would love to be able to read about what he did on the night of his death.
Manchester Ramble has surprised me with Len's sister's name. I had her down as Eliza Amy [1891 census] but her daughter Marjorie Huxley, who I interviewed twice had never heard that her mother's name was Amy! Now you tell me that she was also called Helena. I wonder where that came from?
As others have said, there were five brothers. They were, in order, John, William [my grandfather], Frank, Abraham Lionel Gilpin and Arthur. I am also desparate to know why the fourth son had three names! All the rest made do with a single christian name. Quite by chance I moved 27 years ago into the Yorkshire Dales [from the Home Counties] and discovered a William Bland living only two miles away ... and his father was called Gilpin Bland! I cannot make the connection.
Yes, Molar, this was a second marriage. John Bland, born 1817, married Eliza Carpenter in Hereford in 1848 but she died and they had no issue that I know of. Strangely, John was already living in Sale at the time and he still lived in Sale when he married Eliza Boardman in Hunslet in 1868. He got around! He was 51 at the time of his second marriage and all his seven children [that I know about], were born to his second wife. He was 64 when his last child was born. He died in 1903, as Manchester Rambler correctly states.
I have photos of Lionel if that would ad any interest to this thread.
Please keep lookin! I am stuck at Abraham's grandfather and I am convinced that they key to this mystery is the name GILPIN!
Thanks for all your hard work so far.
Malcolm
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JLo
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What a great topic and a fantastic result. Well done PaulE another cracker!
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukMarshall, Beeson (Herts) Lo(e)wenthal,Kavanagh, Maxam (London, Birmingham) Harrisson, Matthews (London, Essex) Poulton, Philbrick (Essex) Guest, Timmins (Staffs) Raynes/Ryall (Ireland, Birmingham) White (Bucks) Gunn (Scotland, Lancs, Essex) Ison (Tamworth, Birmingham, USA, Canada) |
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Hello Malcolm - I'm sure you already have this info, but for those of us who accepted Paul's challenge....
Abraham's full date of birth was 28 December 1874.
He worked as a warehouseman in Regina, Saskatchewan.
Brother Frank was also living in Regina when Abraham enlisted in 1916, and is given as next-of-kin on Abraham's attestation paper.
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ANT: Nesbit, Potts CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton MAY: Caulfield, Griffin SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory SOM: Dowding, James, Jones Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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BlandTree
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Hello Malcolm - I'm sure you already have this info, but for those of us who accepted Paul's challenge....
Abraham's full date of birth was 28 December 1874.
He worked as a warehouseman in Regina, Saskatchewan.
Brother Frank was also living in Regina when Abraham enlisted in 1916, and is given as next-of-kin on Abraham's attestation paper.
MR
Thank you, Manchester Rambler, everything you say is correct. I only wish I could have found the information as quickly as you have! It has taken me years!
In fact, Len and Frank emigrated to Canada about 1903 [I don't know if they went together and I don't know the exact date] and Len their niece, Marjorie Huxley, says that they worked on the Canadian Pacific Railway. I don't know if this is true. Frank worked in Regina but Len took a parcel of land to the north where he broke the sod, built himself a wooden house and owned three horned cattle. I suspect this all went pear-shaped because, as you say, he was a warehouseman in Regina when he volunteered for the army.
Also, although you correctly state that he gave his next of kin to be Frank, his military will leaves everything to his brother John in England. I have no idea what John got. I do not know if the smallholding still belonged to Len when he joined up. These questions need to be answered but I am not clever enough to find the answers!
Malcolm
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Paul E
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I've been away for a day or so and the developments in this thread have come as a surprise to me!!!!
Well done everybody - and welcome, Malcolm!
You're probably thinking 'why on earth are these people picking on MY family?' 
At least now you have discovered Rootschat you may be able to post specific queries on the boards.
Well, I hope you have recognised that my choice of Abraham was entirely random. In the spirit of the Challenge perhaps I should have checked genesreunited first (to make it harder for everyone - I'll bear that in mind next time!)
I think I should keep this thread open to the end of April, so that when people have a moment and want to dig, they can do so.
Another Challenge in May though, if you're up for it!
best wishes
Paul
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Olly
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Just found this thread.
What a superb idea!
I love searching about and hope you'll pick more people to research as you go along.
Hope people post their source though, as it could get very repetitive.
Will definitely join in the next one!
Keep me posted.
regards, Olly
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Bulmer Draper - Lincoln, Glasgow, Aylesbury
Bulmer - York
Draper,Keogh- Lincolnshire, Middlesex, Liverpool, Ireland
Lowe, Massey - Liverpool
Lowe - Australia
Jones, Owens - Anglesey, Liverpool
Collinson - Middlesex,Birmingham,Liverpool
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emilysiobhan
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Hi Malcolm,
Welcome to Rootschat. Did you find us via google, or did someone contact you via genesreunited?
I'm sorry for being shy, but I wasn't sure exactly how to explain to you that we had randomly chosen your great uncles family tree to research.
Hopefully someone will be able to help you find your Gilpin link......maybe you should try a post on the Yorkshire board, as you'll probably find 'experts' more local to there there.
We also have a surname interests board....there is a link at the bottom of the screen. It doesn't seem to have any Gilpins or Bland yet though.
Paul...for May.....if it is going to be a random person.....perhaps we can use a random number generator to get a random piece no. folio and page no. and then take the first person on that page?
Then it'll just be luck whether the person died two weeks later...or ended up being an ancestor of someone we can find online...
Best regards,
Emily
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Cork: Collins,
Herts/Beds: Pope,Harwood
Essex: Bryant, Pumfrey, Williams, Keyes,Totham, Citchen
Surrey/London: Shields, Woolf, Cooper, Quinton, Plumer
other: Cuskern, Domazsewicz
Wales: Morgan, Mathews, Thomas (x2), Trew, Protheroe, Owen
Census information is Crown copyright
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I doubt there's any connection, but here's a curiosity:
CUMBERLAND & WESTMORLAND WRESTLING
A Documentary History
by ROGER ROBSON
Published to co-incide with the European Championships, the book covers the history of the sport from the earliest references, right through the huge popularity of the Victorian era when it vied with boxing and horse racing as a major national sport, the excitements which led to the setting up of the present Wrestling Association, the exploits of the great Gilpin Bland, accounts of the Academy League and the great champions of the last fifty years.
http://home.clara.net/pb/calendar/postal_e.htm
Malcolm - I recently researched a cousin who died with the CEF, so knew where to go for attestation papers. I presume you have a copy of his service papers?
MR
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ANT: Nesbit, Potts CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton MAY: Caulfield, Griffin SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory SOM: Dowding, James, Jones Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Paul E
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Paul...for May.....if it is going to be a random person.....perhaps we can use a random number generator to get a random piece no. folio and page no. and then take the first person on that page?
Then it'll just be luck whether the person died two weeks later...or ended up being an ancestor of someone we can find online...
Hi emily
I'd be happy to do this - and actually, maybe we should let someone else choose the May Challenge?
Perhaps we could twist your arm, emily!
Paul
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Paul E
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Malcolm - my guess for the Gilpin link is that its a maternal surname that was preserved in the family.
I have, from North Yorkshire, a number of Leonard Blyth Clark's in successive generations of my tree. I, too, wondered where the Blyth came from.
It all became clear when I discovered a marriage of a James Clark to an Ann Blyth - first son, Leonard Blyth Clark, in the early C19th.
Interestingly, in the 1901 census there are the following:
Gilpin Bland, aged 2 in Over Stavely, Westmoreland
Gilpin Garnett, aged 65 in hensingham, Cumberland
Gilpin G Hodgson, aged 7 in Arlecdon Cumberland
Gilpin Preston, aged 8 in Hensingham, Cumerland
There are one or two others around (not many!) including a one born in Canada but living in Tottenham.
So it seems as if the Cumbrian connection might be a very valid one!
best wishes
Paul
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What a great thread this is turning out to be Paul. Nice one.
Great to hear from you Malcolm too. Welcome to RootsChat.
Looking forward to the May challenge! 
Best wishes
Ticker
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familysearcher
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Hmm....in the 1871 census, there seems to be a Bland family living in Sale with parents John and Eliza and two boys John and William, but the parents are transcribed as coming from Cork!!
Cork...York? Does anyone have access to the image?....its Rg10 piece 3684
i have looked at the image and it definitely says 'Yorkshire' not Cork!
no surprise there then.
Fantastic thread - well done Paul.
Hi there Malcolm - and welcome.
Sue
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Geen - Glamorgan/Devon/Birmingham Lewis - Glamorgan/Monmouthshire Cutter - Co Durham/Northumberland/Yorkshire Hunter - Co Durham/Northumberland/Yorkshire Siveter/Siviter - Birmingham Census infromation is Crown Copyright, from " http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk" |
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