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suttontrust
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I keep finding people who claim that their family tree has been traced back to the Norman Conquest or thereabouts. Of course, they don't have the information themselves, it was a brother or a cousin who did it, but it's cast iron, they've got a copy somewhere. Sources? Don't know, but it's absolutely genuine. Hmmm. Has anyone ever seen a tree (of someone ordinary, not an aristocrat) which really goes back that far with unimpeachable sources? I know someone's now going to shoot me down, but I remain sceptical.
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Godden in East Sussex, mainly Hastings area.
Richards in Lea, Gloucestershire, then London.
Williamson in Leith, Vickers in Nottingham.
Webb in Bildeston and Colchester.
Wesbroom in Kirby le Soken.
Ellington in Harwich.
Park, Palmer, Segar and Peartree in Kersey.
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Berlin-Bob
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by: My Daughter. Chatting to find her Roots !
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Probably the only people who can say what their linage is for definute is the royal family
You sure of that, Willow 
I read the Swinhope articles and he mentions (among other things) the "Lady Chatterly Syndrome", and the the servants with "extra duties", etc. Maybe some of the male servants also had "extra duties" ('it dint say nuffink 'bout dat in de job specification !'), so even some of the "royal" lines could be less "royal" than others !
There are a couple of RootsChatters who have managed to get quite far back, hopefully they will see this thread and join in (hint, hint !)
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Searching for Coleman, Moore, Kallnung in London; Margulies, Remenyi in E. Europe; Ancestors of Hessie Stevenson-Coleman-Baxter (Ireland, 1861) and, of course, any other ancestors for my web-site. All Census Data included in this post is Crown Copyright (see: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk) |
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piedstilt
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Posts: 842
"Show me the way to go home ..."
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I tapped into an ancestry.com family tree that (via some American ancestors) took me right back to Adam and Eve!
Yeah, right ...
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D ap D
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Stuck with John Jones in Wales? Join the club!
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Well scientists say from DNA testing the whole human race is decended from just 4 women. Don't remember anything in the bible about Eve having sisters
Thats in the sequel to "The Da Vinci Code".
The Chief Bard of Llewelyn the Great (d 1282) included hidden messages about his descent from Adam and Eve in his poetry.
The main problem that todays scientists have is translating medieval Welsh. Any mistake will however be put down to errors in the translation.
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Stuck with: William Williams of Llanllyfni John Jones in Llanelli Evan Evans in Caio David Davies of Llansanffraid Evans: Caio/Carms Jones: CDG, DEN Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk"Nor do I think that any other nation than this of Wales, or any other tongue, whatever may hereafter come to pass, shall on the day of the great reckoning before the Most High Judge, answer for this corner of the earth": The Old Man of Pencader to Henry II |
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Mobo
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I think what you've come across Sutton is this awful obsession amongst some researchers who have this need to prove 'grand ancestry'. Something which I find pathetic !!
Speaking personally, it was the need to know who my ancestors were and where they originated from, which was the driving force behind my research. Getting as far back as the 1520,s with at least two of my familes. (See examples below).
NICHOLAS EDGSON was born about 1520 in Langham, Rutland, and died May 15 1569 in Langham, Rutland. He married ALYCE 1542 in Langham, Rutland. She was born 1522, and died 1586 in Langham, Rutland.
Children of NICHOLAS EDGSON and ALYCE are:
i. William Edgson, b. 1544, Langham, Rutland; d. 1615, Langham, Rutland.
ii. John Edgson, b. 1546, Langham, Rutland; d. October 18, 1587, Langham, Rutland.
ANON MORRIS was born 1523, Stevington, Bedfordshire He married Ann. She died in 1578, Stevington, Bedfordshire. In her Will of 1578, sons Christopher and Robert and their children are main beneficiaries. Daughter-in-law Cecily and servant Bernard are also mentioned. Christopher is left her house called 'Lammo....' and the two sons are Executors.
Children of ANON MORRIS and ANN are:
i. Christopher Morris, b. 1544, Bedfordshire
ii. Robert Morris, b. 1550, Bedfordshire.
And for those who say that this approach is boring and only produces a list of names and dates, I say Phooey !
Firstly, you have to have a skeleton, before you can put 'flesh on the bones', and you can do this at your leisure anytime, aftwerwards.
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BUCKLEY, Ches. DUNN, Ireland & Lancs. EDGSON, Rutland, Leics & Lancs. LYON, Lancs. McNULTY, Ireland & Lancs. MORRIS, Beds, Hunts & Lancs. TURNER, Lancs. WILLIAMSON, Lancs. Website: http://www.ag19pfalz36.plus.com/All Census Data included in this post is Crown Copyright (see: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk) |
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Manchester Rambler
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I've been able to trace one line with absolute certainty back to a marriage in 1591. These people very considerately had relatively uncommon names, lived in a smallish town, and were faithful to a church whose registers go back a LONG way. My uncle did a lot of the groundwork in the local register office, then I continued with the extracted records in the IGI. We have BMD certificates and family papers for the later stages when they started to move around.
However, although I've become very fond of this bunch, they are *only* my gggrandmother's line. My more direct lines remain obstinately blocked! I'm sure I'm not the only person to have unmarried mothers dropping out of my tree when I shake it, or registering children with an imaginary father on the birth cert...
My maiden name was James, so it was a major surprise to find Granddad's birth registered under Jones, with a father who seems to be a figment of his mother's imagination! Result: direct male line blocked in 1882! Still, I have plenty to work on elsewhere...
MR
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ANT: Nesbit, Potts CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton MAY: Caulfield, Griffin SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory SOM: Dowding, James, Jones Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Berlin-Bob
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I have one line going back to 1550, it's even been printed in the Jewish Encyclopedia from 1905:
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/volume8/V08p327001.jpg
My problem here is that I have a hand-drawn continuation through Ephraim Zalman (d. 1828) down as far as my mother, but I don't have the proof/confirmation/documentation that we are actually descended from Ephraim !
then of course, if we go into the realms of speculation, I have already mentioned in a couple of threads on RootsChat ("Are you related to royalty" was one of them) that some people follow this line down to Rabbi Shlomo ben Yitskhak (1040-1105), and others follow it even further back to King David ! I think you can measure the amounts written on this by learned scholars (for and against !) in inches, if not yards ...
Details (as always !) on the web-site (under "legends", of course  )
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Searching for Coleman, Moore, Kallnung in London; Margulies, Remenyi in E. Europe; Ancestors of Hessie Stevenson-Coleman-Baxter (Ireland, 1861) and, of course, any other ancestors for my web-site. All Census Data included in this post is Crown Copyright (see: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk) |
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kerryb
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Three of my lines have been extensively researched back to the 13th and 14th centuries by serious genealogists by using wills and church records etc. Mind you it did help that they are from locally well known families so there are many people researching the family.
In particularly one of my lines, the Harmer family are reputed to come from a Norman Baron (I believe) who was given lands at Etchingham in Sussex but I only have records for my line from 1489. The family seat is still there Haremere Hall, I drive past every day on my way to work and wish it was still in the family. I could stake my claim. Only I can't because I am not a Harmer, my grandmother was, but again it was her mother's line. Her father's line - well we have no idea about that!
The Pilbeam line - my maternal grandfather's family are really interesting in that they have since late 1500s migrated westward across Sussex from Ticehurst to Punnetts Town, all of about 10 miles and has been thoroughly researched. I am sure it has been made easier because they stayed in the same area for centuries. Funny thing is without knowing why I have always felt a great affinity for this area and one village, Burwash in particular. Now I know why. That for me is one of most satisfying things about a long line, knowing where I belong and why!
kerryb
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukSearching for my family - Baldwin - Sussex, Middlesex, Cork, Pilbeam - Sussex, Harmer - Sussex, Terry - Surrey, Kent, Rhoades - Lincs, Roffey - Surrey, Traies - Devon & Middlesex & many many more to be found on my website .... www.kerrysfamilyhistory.co.uk |
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XPhile2868
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I have an unconfirmed line of Harlings back to Leonard? Harling of yorkshire, who was born c1490. The only thing i need to do to confirm this is to prove that Edward Harling of Preston around the 1840s is the father/brother of father of Charles Harling, born Preston c1869.
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Smith (Lancashire), McKenna (Ireland/Liverpool/Leyland), Maynard (Hertfordshire/London/Preston), Ricketts (Gloucestershire/Wigan/Preston), Scowcroft (Preston), Harling (N. Yorkshire/Lancashire), Willis (Preston), Clegg (Manchester/Preston), Dodd (Wigan/Cheshire), Alston (Lancashire), Hulks (Hertfordshire), Nicholson (Lancashire), Russell (Lancashire), Wilson (Kendal) Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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