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Aberdeen / Aberdour
« on: Wednesday 13 April 05 08:47 BST (UK) »

Hi! I'm still struggling with my McDonalds back in the 1800's and have a question regarding birthplace. Kenjo has helped me tremendously with my research and recently found a couple of possibilities for ancestors. One of them is shown as having been born in "Aberdour, Aberdeen".  I do have an RAC road map book here, and Aberdour would appear to be about 100 miles away from Aberdeen. Was Aberdour really part of Aberdeen, or was there perhaps a borough in Aberdeen that was known as Aberdour? Just curious...  Thanks, Karen McD. in Germany
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Re: Aberdeen / Aberdour
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 13 April 05 09:49 BST (UK) »

Hi Karen.  When it says a place, then Aberdeen, it often means Aberdeenshire, rather than Aberdeen itself.  For example, a lot of mine are Dundee, Forfar.  Now, I live in Forfar as it is a town in it's own right, but the area here now known as Angus used to be called Forfarshire.
Anyway, could it be Aberdour House, which is just west of Fraserborough, in Aberdeenshire?
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newsearch.srf?
This shows where it is
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=390500&y=864500&z=3&sv=aberdour&st=3&tl=Aberdour+House,+Aberdeenshire+&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf
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http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=390500&y=864500&z=3&sv=390500,864500&st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&dn=792
I will see if I can find it on an old map of 1880s and send a link.
Hope this helps
Lesley
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Re: Aberdeen / Aberdour
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 13 April 05 09:59 BST (UK) »

Hi Karen, me again.  I found an old map online of Aberdeenshire, from 1874 which shows Aberdour House very clearly.
Hope this link works,
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/oldmaps/large_ind.jsp
Hope this is the right place and I have not led you astray!!!
Lesley
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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 13 April 05 11:13 BST (UK) »

Hello my darlen,
I feel it means New Aberdour, which is 36 miles north of aberdeen.
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Re: Aberdeen / Aberdour
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 13 April 05 11:32 BST (UK) »

Hi Karen,
I had better simplify, what jargon I went on with privately.

In 1877 Alexander McDonald  Married Mary McGregor in Kent.
Alex's Father was George ,[ Joiner]
and Mary's Father was James, [Superintendent of Police]
From various census Alex was from Aberdeen, born about 1855.

His father, George married Elizabeth Mitchell, in 1846 Old Deer, Ab.
They had children but sadly, the children able to found are from 1857 onwards.
Elizabeth dies in 1876, and George marries again, in 1878 to Margaret Watson a widow.
So there is no connection as we thought at this stage, with Margaret Leslie, that sadly is another family.
I have proof, od your Alexander, being Elizabeth Mitchell's son.
Not what I thought earlier.

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Re: Aberdeen / Aberdour
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 14 April 05 19:10 BST (UK) »

Hi Lesley
Thanks for your help. I can't open the link, unfortunately. Don't know if it's my computer...
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Hi Kenjo (again!)
It's OK - I did manage to work it all out, once I sat down and gave it a few minutes. I'm now convinced you don't sleep at all!!! Thanks for the death cert - think I'll have to find a bigger file for all this paperwork!
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Re: Aberdeen / Aberdour
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 06 April 06 22:34 BST (UK) »

When it says a place, then Aberdeen, it often means Aberdeenshire, rather than Aberdeen itself.  For example, a lot of mine are Dundee, Forfar.  Now, I live in Forfar as it is a town in it's own right, but the area here now known as Angus used to be called Forfarshire.

Assuming that 'it' means the IGI/LDS online index or the 1881 census CD-ROMs, then the last place name before 'Scotland' is the county. Thus Aberdeen means Aberdeenshire, Lanark means Lanarkshire, and so on.

There are some exceptions, including five ancient counties whose names were altered in the 18th century in line with the 'norm', and then corrected back to their proper old names in 1928/9. These are Angus (Forfarshire), Moray (Elginshire), East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) Midlothian (Edinburghshire) and West Lothian (Linlithgowshire).

Counties which escaped the loss of their old names are Shetland (though for a time it was designated Zetland), Orkney, Caithness, Sutherland, Ross and Cromarty, Argyll, Bute, Kincardine and Fife. Two are named after towns which are not their county town: Berwickshire and Roxburghshire.  Then there is Dunbartonshire, named (with a spelling alteration) after its county town, Dumbarton.
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