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Topic: MURRAY, (Lees, Moffat,) lookup please. (Read 1374 times)
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worth
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Hiya,
I have had a look for your people, there is only one John Murray aged 28 born in Selkirk and living as a lodger with a Nichol family, they were living on Water Row in Selkirk, hope he's the right one. Also there are 3 James Murrays in that area,
1) James Murray aged 52 married to an Isabel, he was a labourer by trade.
2) James Murray aged 53 married to Jane, he was a stocking weaver they were living in southport in Selkirk.
3) James Murray aged 53 married to Margaret, he was a writers clerk and they were living on New Road East in Selkirk.
I hope this has been some help to you, let me know if you need any more help.
Dawn
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Alexandrina
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Dear Dawn,
Thank you very much for this, I have been researching this family for 20 years with no luck. I came to Scotland in 1990 & 1995, went to Selkirk, took notes that were rather ambiguous once I returned to Aust.
In 1841 James Murray and Isabella STEWART ? lived in Scotts Place Selkirk.
They were married in 1832.
Living with them were some children and JOHN MURRAY age about 19. I assumed that this John , being so much older than the other children, could be the son of James Murray & Elizabeth HALL (who died 1823 circa) and James must have married again. I am presuming that this was Isabella Stewart.
I did research this family accordingly; the young daughter Isabella MURRAY listed in the 1841 Census married Andrew STENHOUSE in Edinburgh. He was a BAKER.
Isabella MURRAY - Stenhouse also died in childbirth with 1st daughter, also Isabella. (Sounds familiar).
I am supposing that our John is this John; or JOHEN MURRAY who married Helen MOFFAT in Innerleithen & Selkirk 1851. But I could be wrong. I don't know the exact relationship as I dont think it was listed in the 1841 Census. Could be an Uncle-Grandfather I suppose.
Do you have a copy of that 1841 Census Dawn?
I am wondering if James Murray who was living with Isabella , was at an address in Scott's Place. Was he born in Selkirk? How about Isabella? I think the 1851 census might state where born.
Re the Nichol family. The wife Nichol might be a sister of John? Do you have their names/ages /where born/ please Dawn? I will check on familysearch.org for MURRAY-NICHOL marriages.
The James MURRAY married to Jane . of SOUTHPORT SELKIRK is also interesting as John's 1st daughter was named JANE MURRAY, and Jane runs in our family. I don't know why he never had a daughter named Elizabeth after his mother Elizabeth HALL; as in the naming tradition.
Also; Do you have access to Innerleithen Peebles census Dawn?
If so, is there a:
William Moffat - Shepherd
Helen Moffat -Ms Rintoul
Helen Moffat b 1815
and family ?
Thank you once again for your excellent help.
Sandie
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MURRAY NOBLE MOFFAT MACDOUGALL LEES MCINNES RINTOUL KENNEDY ANDERSON HALL KELSO REID BOWES STEWART LINTON GAFF LOWRIE FALCONER GRANT TURNBULL BAIRD STENHOUSE MONTGOMERY SWORD CARROLL DALGLEISH Mostly of the Scottish Borders Selkirk & Melrose Temple Balantrodoch & Skye
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Alexandrina
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Dear Dawn,
I checked the Nichol family of Selkirk.
JAMES NICHOL married MARGARET MURRAY about 1833
They had 5 children including William Murrray Nichol.
Was that the family that you mention from the 1851 Census?
Please let me know.
Thank you
Sandie
Dear Dawn,
Thank you very much for this, I have been researching this family for 20 years with no luck. I came to Scotland in 1990 & 1995, went to Selkirk, took notes that were rather ambiguous once I returned to Aust.
In 1841 James Murray and Isabella STEWART ? lived in Scotts Place Selkirk.
They were married in 1832.
Living with them were some children and JOHN MURRAY age about 19. I assumed that this John , being so much older than the other children, could be the son of James Murray & Elizabeth HALL (who died 1823 circa) and James must have married again. I am presuming that this was Isabella Stewart.
I did research this family accordingly; the young daughter Isabella MURRAY listed in the 1841 Census married Andrew STENHOUSE in Edinburgh. He was a BAKER.
Isabella MURRAY - Stenhouse also died in childbirth with 1st daughter, also Isabella. (Sounds familiar).
I am supposing that our John is this John; or JOHEN MURRAY who married Helen MOFFAT in Innerleithen & Selkirk 1851. But I could be wrong. I don't know the exact relationship as I dont think it was listed in the 1841 Census. Could be an Uncle-Grandfather I suppose.
Do you have a copy of that 1841 Census Dawn?
I am wondering if James Murray who was living with Isabella , was at an address in Scott's Place. Was he born in Selkirk? How about Isabella? I think the 1851 census might state where born.
Re the Nichol family. The wife Nichol might be a sister of John? Do you have their names/ages /where born/ please Dawn? I will check on familysearch.org for MURRAY-NICHOL marriages.
The James MURRAY married to Jane . of SOUTHPORT SELKIRK is also interesting as John's 1st daughter was named JANE MURRAY, and Jane runs in our family. I don't know why he never had a daughter named Elizabeth after his mother Elizabeth HALL; as in the naming tradition.
Also; Do you have access to Innerleithen Peebles census Dawn?
If so, is there a:
William Moffat - Shepherd
Helen Moffat -Ms Rintoul
Helen Moffat b 1815
and family ?
Thank you once again for your excellent help.
Sandie
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MURRAY NOBLE MOFFAT MACDOUGALL LEES MCINNES RINTOUL KENNEDY ANDERSON HALL KELSO REID BOWES STEWART LINTON GAFF LOWRIE FALCONER GRANT TURNBULL BAIRD STENHOUSE MONTGOMERY SWORD CARROLL DALGLEISH Mostly of the Scottish Borders Selkirk & Melrose Temple Balantrodoch & Skye
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worth
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Hiya,
It was John Murray that was living with a Nichol family not James Murray, the family are:
Micheal Nichol Head Married 29 Gen Lab Born Selkirk
Eliza Nichol Wife 33 Born Unknown
William Nichol Son Unmarried 5 Born Roxburgh Wilton
John Nichol Son 3 Unmarried Born Selkirk
Robert Nichol son Unmarried 10m Born selkirk
John Murray lodger Married 28 Gen Lab born selkirk.
I think this could be the Nichol family you mentioned:
James Nichol Head Married 47 Journeyman Mason B.Selkirk
Margaret Nichol Wife 44 B.Roxburgh Jedburgh
Janet Nichol Dau Unmarried 14 B.Selkirk
William Nichol Son 7 B.Selkirk
Helen Nichol Dau 4 B.selkirk
Margaret Nichol Dau 2 B.Selkirk
Their address was Broomhill Cottage Selkirk.
Hope this helps.
dawn
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worth
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The only other Helen Murray in Selkirk was 6 years old. Sorry about that. She wasn't in Galashiels either as i have just checked for you.
Dawn
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worth
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Alexandrina,
As it written on the 1851 census:
Back feus, Selkirk
James Murray Head Married Age 52 Road Labourer Born Selkirk Selkirk
Isabell Murray Wife Married Age 51 Born Selkirk Selkirk
Isabell Brown Boarder Age 3 Born Selkirk Selkirk
Thats all it gives i'm afraid, it would be alot easier if they gave house numbers but unfortunately it doesnt.
Hope this helps
Dawn
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