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Benjamin Wolstencroft Tideswell Derby
« on: Wednesday 20 April 05 18:16 BST (UK) »

I am trying to find details about the parents of my Great Grandfather. ie, Confirmation of Birth date and place, marriage date and Place, Death date and place. etc.
Apparently my Great Grandfather was Benjamin Wolstencroft who was born in 1842 ? in Tideswell ,Derby. England

He later moved to Manchester and married
Alice Musgrove.

In the 1881 British census they lived at 44 Viaduct, Beswick, Manchester and had eight children. Their names and ages at the time of the census are -  Mary E 18 yrs, -
Lucy A 16 yrs, - Ann 14 yrs, -  Samuel 12yrs, - Elizabeth 10yrs, - Lydia 7yrs, -  Martha A 3yrs. -and Frank 11m.


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Re: Benjamin Wolstencroft Tideswell Derby
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 20 April 05 18:58 BST (UK) »

Hi

Here there are in 1871

RG10/4031. 76. 38
All Souls
Manchester

9 Johnson Street

Benjamin Head 29  - Banker??  born Tidewell Derby
Alice wife 29 born Manchester
Mary Eleanor dau.8 born Manchester
Lucy Ann dau. 6 born Manchestr
Ann dau. 4 born Manchester
Samuel son 2 born Manchester
Elizabeth dau. 3 weeks  born Machester

Hope this helps
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Re: Benjamin Wolstencroft Tideswell Derby
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 20 April 05 19:07 BST (UK) »

Hi again

I have checked the 1851 census index for Derbyshire and there is no Benjamin Wolstencroft.

Sorry Cry

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Re: Benjamin Wolstencroft Tideswell Derby
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 20 April 05 23:36 BST (UK) »

Hello there,

Thought I'd chip in at here and add my findings from the 1841 Census, I know its before Benjamin is born but may be his family! -

1841

Upper Street, Tideswell                  HO107/187/1

Samuel Wolcencroft    60     Ag. Lab          born in county - no
Martha         ''              55                                      yes
Mary           ''               20                                       yes
Maria          ''               15                                       yes
Amouas      ''               10                                       yes

also on same page -

Elijha Worcencroft       30     Wheelwright             yes
Ann         ''                   25                                      no
Ann         ''                    8                                       yes
Lydia       ''                    7                                       yes
Luke        ''                    5                                      yes
Samuel     ''                   2                                      yes

Hope this is of some use to you,
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Re: Benjamin Wolstencroft Tideswell Derby
« Reply #4 on: Friday 22 April 05 15:58 BST (UK) »

Cheers Bagpuss

Hi I'm REME5355's nephew, the information from the 1841 census is very intersting because I found the same family on familysearch.org in a Pedigree file.

                           Age 1841
Samuel                71 (1770)
Martha                57 (1784)
Elisha                31 (1810)
Luke                  30 (1811)
Elizabeth             27 (1814)
Ann                   25 (1816)
Mariann               22 (1819)
Amy                   19 (1822)
Maria                 16 (1825)
Amorias               13 (1828)

Mariann was shown to have a son called Benjamin born in Tideswell born 1841, I was thinking this maybe Mary from the 1841 census???

Would anyone be able to do a search to find any info on a Mary/Mariann born 1819-1821, this may show a connection to Benjamin.

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Re: Benjamin Wolstencroft Tideswell Derby
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 26 April 05 18:47 BST (UK) »

Hi there Sunflower and Bagpuss.
Thanks for the information regarding my GG Grandfather Benjamin Wolstencroft of Tideswell, Derby.  It was very helpfull.
I now have data that takes me to 1770.
Have you any ideas how I now go about obtaining info regarding the previous generation IE Benjamins parents my GGG Grand Parents prior to 1770.
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Re: Benjamin Wolstencroft Tideswell Derby
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 27 April 05 22:53 BST (UK) »

Hello again,

     As you have reached the period prior to Civil Registration (1837) it is now a case of using Parish Records.  These are held at County Hall in Matlock and are free to search.  If you are unable to visit they will carry out searches on your behalf (11.00 per half hour) so it's not cheap!  Here's a link that will tell you more.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/Archives/index.html

Its always worth posting a request on here first, somebody may have the records you are looking for.

Best of Luck   Smiley
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Re: Benjamin Wolstencroft Tideswell Derby
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 28 April 05 09:47 BST (UK) »

Hi there

Alternatively you could try the Derbyshire Family History Society who also carry out postal searches £2.00 per half hour. The web site is

www.dfhs.org. uk


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Re: Benjamin Wolstencroft Tideswell Derby
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 28 April 05 10:21 BST (UK) »

Hello Sunflower,

I didn't know that, so thank-you, its a much cheaper alternative and living in Norfolk as I do now I don't get back to Derbyshire that often so I might even give them a try myself.   Cheesy

All the best
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Re: Benjamin Wolstencroft Tideswell Derby
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 28 April 05 10:53 BST (UK) »

Hi Sunflower

As my uncle says, we may have information back to 1970, but to confirm this we need a link between Mary/Mariann and Benjamin...

I'll try to explain what we know...

My gggrandad Benjamin Wolstencroft was born in 1842 in Tideswell, his father was called John Harrison and Benjamin married Alice Musgrave in St Johns Church, Manchester on 25/05/1862, we have the marriage certificate to prove this.

We're trying to track down any information on my ggggrandma (mary/mariann Wolstencroft???) Benjamin’s mum, born in Tideswell. This is the information we have so far from the 1841 census

Upper Street, Tideswell                  HO107/187/1

Samuel Wolstencroft    60     Ag. Lab          born in county - no
Martha         ''              55                                      yes
Mary           ''               20                                       yes
Maria          ''               15                                       yes
Amorias      ''               10                                       yes

also on same page -

Elisha Wolstencroft       30     Wheelwright             yes
Ann         ''                   25                                      no
Ann         ''                    8                                       yes
Lydia       ''                    7                                       yes
Luke        ''                    5                                      yes
Samuel     ''                   2                                      yes

This all agrees with some information we found on a pedigree file on familysearch.org

                                     Age 1841
Samuel  Wolstencroft        71 (1770)
Martha       “                     57 (1784)
Elisha        “                     31 (1810)
Luke          “                     30 (1811)
Elizabet      “                     27 (1814)
Ann           “                     25 (1816)
Mariann      “                    22 (1819)
Amy           “                    19 (1822)
Maria          “                    16 (1825)
Amorias      “                    13 (1828)

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/PRF/individual_record.asp?recid=290362406&lds=2&region=-1&regionfriendly=&frompage=99

Mariann was shown to have a son called Benjamin born in Tideswell in 1841, we we're thinking this might be Mary from the 1841 census???

Would you be able to do a search to find any info on a Mary/Mariann Wolstencroft born 1819-1821 in Tideswell in the 1851 census and if there is any other information on the family, it would be greatly appreciated.


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Re: Benjamin Wolstencroft Tideswell Derby
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 28 April 05 13:58 BST (UK) »

Hi Shane

I've been through the W section of the index to see how many variations there are of the spelling.

Worsencroft   Ann   35   2150   606   182
Worsencroft   Ann   18   2150   606   182
Worsencroft   Elisha   43   2150   606   182
Worsencroft   Elizabeth   1   2150   606   182
Worsencroft   Isabella   4   2150   606   182
Worsencroft   John H.   9   2150   606   182
Worsencroft   Luke   14   2150   606   182
Worsencroft   Lydia   17   2150   606   182
Worsencroft   Martha   67   2150   606   183
Worsencroft   Mary   6   2150   606   182
Worsencroft   Robert   8   2150   606   183
Worsencroft   Samuel   77   2150   606   183
Worsencroft   Samuel   11   2150   606   182

also

Wooliscroft   Ann   47   2151   88   50
Wooliscroft   Charlotte   20   2151   88   50
Wooliscroft   Elizabeth   60   2010   526   4
Wooliscroft   Hannah   5   2151   88   50
Wooliscroft   Henry   14   2151   88   50
Wooliscroft   Joseph   44   2010   526   4
Wooliscroft   Joseph   17   2151   88   50
Wooliscroft   Sarah Ann8   2151   88   50
Wooliscroft   Solomon   44   2151   88   50

and

Woolliscroft   George   67   2143   562   50
Woolliscroft   George   31   2146   645   7
Woolliscroft   Hannah   26   2146   645   7
Woolliscroft   John   38   2146   645   7
Woolliscroft   Martha   60   2146   645   7
Woolliscroft   Olive   47   2143   562   50
Woolliscroft   Richard   27   2146   645   7
Woolliscroft   Thomas   62   2146   645   7

and

Wollescroft   Elizth.   45   2151   412   55
Wollescroft   Elizth.   18   2151   412   53
Wollescroft   Thos.   15   2151   412   55
Wollescroft   William   23   2151   412   55

it is piece 2150 that covers Tideswell

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Re: Benjamin Wolstencroft Tideswell Derby
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 28 April 05 14:45 BST (UK) »

Hi Sunflower

Thanks for your time on this, it's really appreciated.

Looking back at the original post from Bagpuss, from the 1841 census, Wolstencroft was spelt (Wolcencroft). I wonder if the family was still using this spelling in the 1851 census?

I've also found this IGI record for Mariann, showing her christening and her relationship to Samuel and Martha Wolstencroft.

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=500014470769&lds=1&region=2&regionfriendly=British+Isles&frompage=99




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