Gosh you are great.
I believe her parents were Alfred and Caroline WILLIAMS
Why do you believe Elsie's mother's name was Caroline?
I can't find a marriage of an Alfred Edward Williams to a Caroline (Anyname)
The ONLY way that I believe Elsie, Alice and Mabel's parents names were Alfred
is from the death record of Alice (or Allie as she was known).
Surname Given Names Sex Age Father Mother Place of Birth Registration District Registration Number Registration Year
OLIVER ALLIE MAY Female 63 ALFRED CAROLINE
PERTH 1493 1963
You have subsequently confirmed from the Parish record for the marriage of William Henry HARROP and Elsie WILLIAMS that Elsie's father's name was in fact Alfred Edward WILLIAMS. Allie, although married to James John OLIVER in Perth in 1934 had no children, so the information on her death record is only as good as the person who supplied the information, which would have been her husband as her sister Mabel had passed away in 1951. (Mabel's death record does not show the name of her mother or father).
Elsie passed away in 1932 in Ashton, Lancashire, England.
Are you certain this is correct? Do you have her death certificate?
As you now know that Elsie Williams was born circa 1898 there is a death reg:
Deaths Sep 1936
Harrop Elsie - Aged 38 - Manchester S. 8d 194
which fits her birth year.
Note: (Manchester S. = Manchester South)
I am also starting to wonder if I had the right death record originally for Elsie HARROP given the differences in the ages. For example,
- on the parish record for the marriage of William Henry HARROP and Elsie WILLIAMS in 1921 it says she was 23 yrs of age. This would have put her to be born in either 1897 or 1898.
- the death record I found had her age as being born earlier.
The death record you found fits in more appropriately.
So where did Alfred Edward Williams and Caroline marry (if Caroline is her correct name), and did they have other children besides the daughters (Elsie, Alice and Mabel)? In the 1901 census Elsie would have been there and maybe Alice, but not Mabel (born after the 1901 census), although in the 1911 census they should have all been there (unless Caroline had passed away before the 1911 census)?
Once again thank you for your help - I really do appreciate it.