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"Wichand Old"? in near Brighton?
« on: Sunday 24 April 05 12:40 UTC (UK) »
Hi

I am a bit puzzled by the birth place of Mary Ann CHAPMAN in the 1871 census of West Ham RG10/1626 folio 129 page 12

It looks like "Wichand Old".  All later census give her birthplace as Brighton so guess that it may be a specific location in that area.

Her parents were originally from Billingshurst but later lived in the Hove area.

Any ideas what it should say?

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Re: "Wichand Old"? in near Brighton?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 24 April 05 12:51 UTC (UK) »
Looking at the Brighton area on Multimap, theres a Withdean, but nothing else similar.
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Re: "Wichand Old"? in near Brighton?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 24 April 05 14:38 UTC (UK) »
Don't know about anywhere in Brighton even remotely like that, and I've lived here all my life, but there is a small place on the map just down the road from Billingshurst on the outskirts of Pulborough called Wiggonholt, which I think could be mistaken for Wichand Old", if it was pronounced "widgen-holt"

Its not too far from Brighton, so could have been where she lived as a kid.
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Re: "Wichand Old"? in near Brighton?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 24 April 05 16:39 UTC (UK) »
Hi Casalguidi
Think you might have to try for her birth cert to be sure - Wiggonholt is about 8 miles from Billingshurst  Smiley

What was her maiden name/parents names - our Library has a 'very thin' booklet of notes on Wiggonholt - it's in the reference section but I'll gladly have a look and see if your family is mentioned.
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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 26 April 05 18:36 UTC (UK) »

Just a thought, we have a Westham near Eastbourne............
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Re: "Wichand Old"? in near Brighton?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 27 April 05 06:33 UTC (UK) »
Hi

Many thanks for all your interesting suggestions:

The family looks something like this:

James BURCHALL/BURCHELL c1826 Billingshurst Sussex
Mary Ann (nee LIN(G)FIELD) c1827 Billingshurst Sussex

Mary Ann bc1850 Wickand? Old Sussex
Rhoda b1856 Fishersgate Southwick Sussex
William bc1858 Hove

Mary Ann junior's birthplace is given as Wickand? Old, Sussex in the 1871 census whilst 1881-1901 give Brighton.

I am just intrigued to know what Wickand? Old could be a mistranscription of in preparation for requesting an 1851 census lookup.  I don't have them in 1861 yet either though I do have notes on the BURCHALL family in Billingshurst etc. further back.

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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 27 April 05 09:48 UTC (UK) »
Hi Casalguidi

I think I have found James in Billingshurst in 1841:

HO107/1092, Folio 7, Page 6

Little Lordings

William Burchell, 60, Carpenter
Elizabeth do, 40
George do, 20
James do, 15
Walter do, 12
Ann do, 10
Rhoda do, 8
Jane do, 6
Eliza do, 4
Maurice do, 2
Elizabeth do, 1

There is a Caroline Burchell, 20, living next door at Lordings with the Fuller family.  There are quite a few Burchell families in Billingshurst.

Is this Mary:

Folio 9, Page 10

Parbrook

Robert Linfield, 55, Ag Lab
Rebecca do, 40
Mary do, 20
Harriett, 14


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Re: "Wichand Old"? in near Brighton?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 27 April 05 11:31 UTC (UK) »
Hi Casalguidi - Parbrook and Lordings Farm on todays map are half a mile apart and about 4 miles from Wiggonholt.  I know someone who pronounces this place as Wigan 'ote...I think it looks promising as your Mary Anns pob.

I found the booklet I mentioned, some 20 odd A4 pages, printed in 2002. It's by a Dr Annabelle F Hughes
It seems she writes on One Place Genealogy.
She says that 'Wiggonholt Some History' is a work in progress - at the moment it only covers Domesday to about the mid 1600's. There was a borrowers copy so maybe your Library could get it for you if you find you need a bit more background info.
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 27 April 05 11:41 UTC (UK) »
It was tiny - there were only seven households in Wiggonholt in 1841.  - Deborah
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Re: "Wichand Old"? in near Brighton?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 27 April 05 12:13 UTC (UK) »

Hi Dimps, Wiggonholt is still tiny - I don't suppose there are more than that today, it tends to get lumped in with Parham and Rackham.
It does have a church, known locally as The Shepherds Church as it has no patron Saint; one room, with a bell turret. It's main claim to fame is a Sussex marble font.
I hav'nt visited it for years so I don't know about gravestones or memorials but if memory serves me correctly a survey was done on them c1900.  I must go and have another look. 
The church is still in use and shares a Vicar with Parham, Amberley, Greatham and North Stoke, known collectively as the 'Wildbrooks Churches'.
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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 27 April 05 19:02 UTC (UK) »
Hi Casalguidi,
1861 Census
RG9/604 Folio 102 Page 19
59 George St, Hove
James Burchell Head Mar     38  Agricultural Laborer  Sussex Billingshurst
Mary Ann “      Wife Mar     39                                      Sussex Billingshurst
Harriet Lindfield Step Dau Unm 21 Laundress             Sussex Billingshurst
Robert Lindfield Step Son Unm 17 Coal Merchants Laborer Sussex Petworth
James Burchell Son                     14 Agricultural Laborer Sussex Wickham Holt
Charles “           Son                     12 Scholar                     Sussex Wickham Holt
Mary Ann “       Dau                      9 Scholar                     Sussex Wickham Holt
Rhoda “              Dau                     7 Scholar                      Sussex Southwick
William “           Son                     3                                    Sussex Hove
It clearly says Wickham Holt

From the BVRI
BURCHELL, Henry   Christening
   Gender:   Male
   Christening Date:   27 Jan 1861   Recorded in:   Hove, Sussex, England
   Father:   James BURCHELL
   Mother:   Mary Ann
Source:   FHL Film 1067211   Dates:   1858 - 1881

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Re: "Wichand Old"? in near Brighton?
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 27 April 05 19:21 UTC (UK) »
That's all great - thankyou to everybody that's helped - there's a few new names there that I didn't previously know about!

I do have some info on the BURCH(A/E)LLS ie. baptisms in Billingshurst but it was this middle part of the 19c that I was lacking.

Looking at the birthplaces in 1861 ................. where do we think they will be in 1851?  Is Wiggonholt still likely or are we looking for a "Wickham" now?

Thanks again

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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 27 April 05 19:28 UTC (UK) »
The nearest Wickham I can find is in Hampshire.  I think the "Holt" clinches it.  I'm voting for Wiggonholt!  - Deborah
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« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 27 April 05 19:45 UTC (UK) »
I agree with Deborah, look at Wiggonholt for the 1851 census
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Re: "Wichand Old"? in near Brighton?
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 27 April 05 21:00 UTC (UK) »

I think this clinches it......... from The Place names of Sussex, can't think why I did'nt look before..

Wiggonholt. Wicga's thicket (OE Wicgan holt) Wikeolte 1195 - Wykenholt 1279 - Wygenholt 1316  and...
                                                                  Wickenholt 1675  Cheesy
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