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Helen Dann
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« on: Tuesday 26 April 05 18:24 BST (UK) »
I apologise if this is a dumb question...

I'm considering purchasing a 1861 census CD (well, I'm considering asking for one as a birthday present, to be accurate!). Some of my Shropshire ancestors were from the Worthen area, which at one time was technically in Montgomeryshire.

My question is, will Worthen addresses be contained on the Shropshire CD or will I also have to buy the Montgomeryshire CD? I don't mind, I'd just like to know so that I'm buying the right thing(s) :-)

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Helen
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Williams - Much Wenlock (SAL)
Dabbs - Dudley/Wellington
Hall - Munslow/Eaton-Under-Heywood (SAL)
Jones - Pontesbury (SAL)
Dadicott/Dorricott - Westbury (SAL)
Kidson/Kitson - Ditton Priors/Morville (SAL)
Wood - Stottesden/Cleobury Mortimer (SAL)
Wright - Ellesmere/Oswestry (SAL)
Payne - Oswestry (SAL)
Cooper - Abdon/Clee St Margaret (SAL)
Bradney - Pontesbury (SAL)
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Re: Census CDs
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 26 April 05 20:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Helen,

Some one may correct me on this but I have found that my ancestors who came from Pennerley in Worthen are not on the Shropshire or Montgomeryshire census.

It is as if a few parts of Worthen are in this big hole that has not been copied when being put to disc by the various cd retailers.

I have the 1851 shropshire and have had look ups done on the Montgomeryshire one and that area is not on either disc.
From what I can make out, the only way I will be able to get access to this is at the records office.

This does'nt help you I know  sorry. Which part of Worthen are you after??

Allie
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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 26 April 05 20:35 BST (UK) »
Hi Allie,

Having failed with a look-up I posted on both the Shrops and Montg'shire boards, I had a horrible feeling this might be the case :-/ 

To be honest I'm not really sure which part of Worthen - I don't know the area well. It's very odd that poor old Worthen has fallen into the black hole of unrecorded census CDs!!

Helen
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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 26 April 05 20:46 BST (UK) »
Don't know if this is help or hindrance Smiley According to the National Archives catalogue, the parish of Worthin is split over pieces 4255, 4256 and 4257 Montgomeryshire.
Might be worth contacting retailers to see if their Montgomery census contains these pieces (if indeed it's available at all).

Heather
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Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett
Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray
Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood
Derbyshire: Starbrook
Somerset: Willmott, Elliott
Cork:Driscoll, Murphy
London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman
London Kent:Cheesman
Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup

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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 26 April 05 20:51 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much indeed for this information, Heather - I'm sure it will be very useful :-)

Helen
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Wood - Stottesden/Cleobury Mortimer (SAL)
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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 26 April 05 20:55 BST (UK) »
You're welcome,

The catalogue can be searched at http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp

enter place name, year of census and reference (eg RG9 for 1861) and it will tell you the piece no. and county for that place.

Heather aka anorak Smiley
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Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett
Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray
Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood
Derbyshire: Starbrook
Somerset: Willmott, Elliott
Cork:Driscoll, Murphy
London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman
London Kent:Cheesman
Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup

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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 27 April 05 07:50 BST (UK) »
Thank you, Heather, that's fantastic!!

Nothing wrong with being an anorak, IMO  Wink
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Dadicott/Dorricott - Westbury (SAL)
Kidson/Kitson - Ditton Priors/Morville (SAL)
Wood - Stottesden/Cleobury Mortimer (SAL)
Wright - Ellesmere/Oswestry (SAL)
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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 27 April 05 15:57 BST (UK) »
Just a note in case anyone reads this: according to the census CD publisher I contacted, Worthen parish (piece numbers quoted) is contained on their Montgomeryshire 1861 CD - which is fab news (well, not so fab in that I'll have to buy two CDs, but what the hey Wink) and nice to have that confirmed.
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Williams - Much Wenlock (SAL)
Dabbs - Dudley/Wellington
Hall - Munslow/Eaton-Under-Heywood (SAL)
Jones - Pontesbury (SAL)
Dadicott/Dorricott - Westbury (SAL)
Kidson/Kitson - Ditton Priors/Morville (SAL)
Wood - Stottesden/Cleobury Mortimer (SAL)
Wright - Ellesmere/Oswestry (SAL)
Payne - Oswestry (SAL)
Cooper - Abdon/Clee St Margaret (SAL)
Bradney - Pontesbury (SAL)
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 27 April 05 19:41 BST (UK) »
Thanks Helen and Heather,

This is a great help to me too. Its as if these rellies are determined not to be found Cheesy

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« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 27 April 05 19:46 BST (UK) »
Helen

Don't buy it!!! I've got the Montgomeryshire 1861, at least let me try for you first Cheesy


Jan Wink Cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 27 April 05 19:57 BST (UK) »
Agh - too late - already ordered it  Embarrassed

Gah...

Helen :-)
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Wood - Stottesden/Cleobury Mortimer (SAL)
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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 27 April 05 20:00 BST (UK) »
Glad this was of some help to you too, Allie! I know what you mean, though - they do seem to have gone out of their way not to be found, some of them ;-) - when they weren't giving false ages, they were giving different names or pretending to live in different counties, lol.

Helen
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Kidson/Kitson - Ditton Priors/Morville (SAL)
Wood - Stottesden/Cleobury Mortimer (SAL)
Wright - Ellesmere/Oswestry (SAL)
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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 27 April 05 20:01 BST (UK) »
Just out of pure curiosity, which piece number are you looking for?  I'm just looking at the list of districts contained on my CD.

Jan
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« Reply #13 on: Thursday 28 April 05 07:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Jan,

I'm basically interested in the Worthen area, piece nos 4255, 4256 and 4257. According to the manufacturer from whom I've ordered my CD, at that time Worthen was officially in Montgomeryshire (Chirbury) even though it was generally recognised by most people as being in Shropshire.

Helen
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Dadicott/Dorricott - Westbury (SAL)
Kidson/Kitson - Ditton Priors/Morville (SAL)
Wood - Stottesden/Cleobury Mortimer (SAL)
Wright - Ellesmere/Oswestry (SAL)
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« Reply #14 on: Thursday 28 April 05 10:02 BST (UK) »
Hi Helen

My CD is from the Powys Family History Society.  I have just checked it and 4255, 4256, and 4257 are there.  However, nearly all of the piece number is missing for 4256, and only Forden folio 1 is there.

I see in an earlier post that Allie's rellies come from Pennerley and was wondering whether that would have been part of 4256 Huh

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Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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