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Topic: Marriage register - no others on the same page ?? (Read 299 times)
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russethouse
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With 1847 releasing the Lancashire 1861 census I thought that at last I would be able to track down my elusive John Childs. I think I may have found him and I can read that his fathers name is William but his mothers name seems to be rather a smudge. OK, I guess at their wedding date and viaBMD come up with several possibilities.
Using 'ancestry' I look up the name, year,volume etc of the most likely and click on 'see others on same page' - nothing - just William Childs - how can that be correct on a marriage register ? What I am doing wrong ?
I haven't had a drink - so it can't be that - it could be a 'senior' moment.........any ideas ?? 
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casalguidi
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Hi
The resources you are using to lookup the marriage are not yet complete so that means that the other 7 or 3 (depending on the timescale) with the same reference number have not yet been transcribed.
Until then, the best way is to get the mother's maiden name from a child's birth certificate and then look the parents up separately in the marriage indexes http://www.1837online.com to ensure that the reference numbers match.
If you post the census details, somebody else might be able to have a go at reading it or is it really that badly smudged that it's impossible
Best wishes
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russethouse
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Its 1861 - Lancashire
William Child age 55 or 53 Stone Mason born Yorkshire Bierly
a wife age 34 born Yorkshire (but somewhere different)
John Child (again pretty smudgy) age 11Cotton picker born Lancashire
**** Hannah Child age 2
Mary Child age 6
Reference RG 9/3015
I wouldn't want anyone to use up credits though !
I tried going forward (to 1871 census) with one of the daughters but no luck so far.
Thanks for such prompt help !!
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Wife's name Elizabeth, b Yorkshire looks like Shildon head
Child is Martha Hannah
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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casalguidi
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Yes, that's near enough what I made it too:
William CHILD head mar 35?? stone mason b.Birley Yks
Elizabeth wife 34 b.Shildenhead Yks
John son 11 cotton piecer b.Crompton Lancs
Martha Hannah dau 9 b.Crompton Lancs
Mary dau 6 b.Oldham Lancs
The birthplaces for William & Elizabeth will need checking out - the following page is quite good for this if you follow the links to the Yorkshire ridings:
http://www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/REG/index.htm
Best wishes
Casalguidi
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Keziahemm
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Hi,
1861
William Child Head 55 Stone Mason Birley Yorks.
Elizabeth Child Wife 34 Shildenhead, Yorks
John Child son 11 Cotton piecer Crompton Lancs
Martha Hannah Child dau 7 Scholar Crompton
Mary Child dau 6 Scholar Oldham
Joseph Child son 3 Oldham
William Child son llm Oldham
James Lord nephew 12 Cotton Factory Operative Oldham
Mary Ann Cropper niece 2 Crompton
Susan
Oops will have to type faster 
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Herefordshire: Mytton Lincolnshire: Ingham Northamptonshire: Knight (Welford); Linnell; Gaudern; Staffordshire (Brierley Hill, Kingswinford): Wood; Somerset: Bailey; Lewis Warwickshire: ( Alcester, Henley in Arden, Aston Cantlow): Lewis; Casey/Keasey Warwickshire, (Birmingham suburbs) Knight; Lewis Yorkshire (Bradford): Ingham Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov |
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russethouse
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Thanks everyone - I found the Ancestry copy of this which is MUCH clearer !
John Childs place of birth is always given as Rochdale on later census returns, they don't look too far away - I just hope there are not two !! He has been an real problem until now - I'd hate to take a wrong turn !!
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JAP
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Noting that there is a nephew with surname LORD in the census entry, might the following IGI entry be relevant.
William CHILD m Elizabeth LORD, 14 Dec 1845, Manchester Cathedral.
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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JAP
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Thanks everyone - I found the Ancestry copy of this which is MUCH clearer !
John Childs place of birth is always given as Rochdale on later census returns, they don't look too far away - I just hope there are not two !! He has been an real problem until now - I'd hate to take a wrong turn !!
Russethouse, I see that on another thread you said that you were looking for a John CHILD born ca 1839 in Rochdale - which would make him ca 22 in 1861. So I am wondering why you think that this John, age 11 in 1861, might be yours?
The birth of John CHILD of the 1861 census seems to be on FreeBMD (it says that Crompton was part of the Oldham registration district).
CHILD John, birth Mar qtr 1850, Oldham, Vol 20, page 698
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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russethouse
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You are right, I am going to take a closer look at the ages I have recorded for him - I have a John Child as a boarder age 20, (on the 71) but of course he may not be 'mine' either!
I hope to spend an hour or two on it today, this branch of the family is proving particularly heavy going..........I have Smiths to look into too, but I'm saving them for when I have at least got a better idea of the basics 
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JAP
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What is the earliest definite record you have of your John CHILD i.e. one which you can definitely link to when you work backwards from the present?
You mentioned on your other thread that your John married his housekeeper who already had a son (John's son?).
So I wondered whether the following record on the online 1881 census is your John?
At No 4 Court 2 Middleton Rd Oldham, Lancashire, England:
-John CHILD Head M Male 40 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Brickmaker
-Cathrine DEAN Housekeeper U Female 28 Haslingdon, Lancashire, England Cardroom Hand
-Humphrey DEAN Housekeepers Son Male 2 Oldham, Lancashire, England
-David MC LOUGHTON Lodger M Male 21 Glasgow, Scotland Piecer
-Mary HIRST Lodger U Female 18 Meltham, York, England Cotton Operative
If the above John is yours, then a 20 yo John CHILD in the 1871 is unlikely to be the same person? Is there another possible John in the 1871?
Do you have John's marriage certificate and, if so, what does it give as the name and occupation of his father?
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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russethouse
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Yes that is the right John Child, John Child and Catherine Dean are my husbands great grandparents.
On the 1871 I have him ( I think )as a boarder in Greaves Street Oldham - but married ( I rather assumed he was married twice. (This is where I made my error as he looks like being 32 but there is a squiggle next to it, and I misread it as 20 doh
( I have been told before that ages are far from exact)
I don't think I have ever been able to find a marriage for Catherine Deans and John Childs but it is a while since I looked - of course I was caught up in the enthusiasm of Lancashire 1861 coming on line!! so went to look for a census entry
A kind lady , Pauline, even looked for him when she went to the records office.
He was dead by 1901, but still alive in Sept 1891 (or January at least) as Sabrah Childs was born then. She had a sister born in 1889 and on the census for 1891 two boys were listed Humphrey(12) and Thomas (14)but both just as 'son' (Would I gain anything from the brothers birth certificates ?)
I'm going to try to get back to this a little later today and have another look for a marriage.
Many thanks for your interest.........
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