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Anybody going to Beds RO???
« on: Wednesday 04 May 05 12:11 BST (UK) »

If anybody is going to Beds RO would they be able to look up a couple of marriage licenses for me please.

John Green 1789 and Thomas Green 1802. They were both married by licence have been told that the licence may hold further info which should confirm more info I have.

Thanks

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Re: Anybody going to Beds RO???
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 08 May 05 16:07 BST (UK) »


Local library has marriage licences but did not see one for John Green married 1789.

The only Thomas Green for 1802 as follows:-

Thomas Green..miller, of Stanford in Southill**, age 21 & upwards, to marry, 12/8/1802, Sarah Pope of Shefford in Campton, age 21 & upwards.

Surety....William Neal(e), victualler of Haynes.

** Marriage to take place at Southill

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Re: Anybody going to Beds RO???
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 08 May 05 18:54 BST (UK) »

Hi

Thanks so much for looking for me. Unfortunately John was the one I was hoping would confirm things for me, always the way isn't it.

But the fact that Thomas Green was a miller is very interesting. Later on down the line I have a master baker, so that could be a link.

Also interesting the surety part. I have another person who I am trying to link into the family who was something to do with beer Smiley

Thanks again for this. It is very much appreciated. Another piece of the yet to be solved puzzle.

Diane Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Re: Anybody going to Beds RO???
« Reply #3 on: Monday 09 May 05 16:23 BST (UK) »


Glad to have helped but think this might just be what you are after or I could be way out. When looking at the licences I was a bit suspicious of an entry so looked on the IGI for a marriage for John Green in 1789. Checked it out today with P/R for Meppershall and as follows which you probably have.
John Green of (Campton) married Sara Green, by licence. Sarah resident of Meppershall.
Now in the licence extracts there is the following which I think maybe the one.......no doubt you will know.

John Green, baker of Shefford, minor, to marry 12/9/1798, Sarah Green of Meppershall, minor.

Surety William Green, farmer,(father of Sarah) of Clifton.
Surety John Green(father of John) of Shefford.

No occupation given for John Green father of John. The date 1798 /1789??? I did check Meppershall, Shefford, etc  for a marriage for a Green in 1798 and drew a blank. I am almost sure that their is a mix up for the year in the licences.

One other thing that might be of help if you don't know about it is a will for a John Green of Shefford, mealman & baker....1810.
Beds CRO will hold the original.

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Re: Anybody going to Beds RO???
« Reply #4 on: Monday 09 May 05 16:53 BST (UK) »

you are an absolute star,

That is just the breakthrough I needed.

My Green line I have only been able to go back to George Green b.1800 ish Huh? and parents???

He married Ann in Clifton 1830. Several children they had on 1841 census included a John  and Sarah!

In 1851 no sign, apart from 2 of the children living with Ann's relatives in receipt of parish relief.

George was a labourer, but his son William, my gt.2 grandfather was a Baker!

He moved to London between this census and 1859 where he married his first wife.

All the areas mentioned on the licence seem to tie in with the info I have and that will could be just the thing .

I really appreciate this help and will now get onto Beds RO to see about getting hold of the will.

Thanks ever so much. I've been trying to get somewhere with this for a while now and living in Essex with commitments has meant I can't travel widely at present.

I suspected that Samuel and George may have been cousins, but the other licence you found doesn't give his father.

The other name that seems to be a common factor in these two families is Warner and I have found several occurances of this in Shefford.

I am so excited Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley

Thank you.  Diane Smiley
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Re: Anybody going to Beds RO???
« Reply #5 on: Monday 09 May 05 19:46 BST (UK) »


Almost as good as finding something for myself. Will help you out with anything that is of easy access......do ask......will soon say if too much hassle.!!!

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Re: Anybody going to Beds RO???
« Reply #6 on: Monday 09 May 05 21:02 BST (UK) »

Thanks again.

That is really kind of you. This has given me the info that hopefully will link things up.

I will send off for the will tomorrow and once I get that see if thee is anything in it to tie in with what I have.

I have the Clifton register already and see that William of Clifton was married to Eliz.

Now I can go through that and make their family up.

I have been so lucky with this, Criggy helped me an awful lot last year and this is the icing on the cake.

No doubt I will be back Smiley with more questions.

take care Diane Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Re: Anybody going to Beds RO???
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 14 May 05 22:17 BST (UK) »

Hi Waterfall,

Just to let you know I have received the will and think it is mine!

It's not very long and easy to read Smiley

Basically John Green gives his son John (maybe mine) £50. His other three sons Thomas, William and Warner! All get equal shares of his house and mill in Shefford.

In 1810 the place he says John is living is Woodhall near Campton.

That is the only mention he gets.

The other three are executors of the will too. Most strange. I wonder why all four sons were not given equal shares.

No mention of a wife either.

I have checked three directories for Beds 1823/30/39 and can see no trace of the business although there is a W. Green, baker.

In the marriage licence you found for me the son John is described as a baker, at that time.

Another mystery to solve.

Thanks again for finding that for me.

Diane Smiley
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Re: Anybody going to Beds RO???
« Reply #8 on: Monday 16 May 05 11:42 BST (UK) »


Thanks for letting me know how you made out. Have a few wills myself and yes they make one think. One left one son a 1/- and the rest to the others!!! Another left £10 to two sons and £20 to two others...... those two were executors. Very odd.

Hope all goes well with you in your search,

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Re: Anybody going to Beds RO???
« Reply #9 on: Monday 06 June 05 17:38 BST (UK) »

Hi Susan,

Was wondering if you would mind checking a couple of wills for me please next time you go.

I found a couple of names but before I order if there is anything else, such as occupation it may help.

Daniel Warner Green March 1793
John Green April 1796 (just looked at my writing, it could be 1790)
John Green Nov 1787

Also an admon

William Green, Clifton  1806.

Thanks in anticipation.

Diane Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: Monday 06 June 05 19:58 BST (UK) »


will give it a go........give me a few days, maybe Wednesday or Thursday,

bye Susan
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Re: Anybody going to Beds RO???
« Reply #11 on: Monday 06 June 05 20:27 BST (UK) »

Thanks Susan,

Very much appreciated.

Diane Smiley Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 08 June 05 17:30 BST (UK) »

First I should say I do lookup of wills not at Beds CRO but from an index in local library which is an index from Bedfordshire Probate Records 1484-1858. For myself I do that and then when visiting Beds CRO I can  ask to see the original. Having said that I looked in the index today and found nothing for
Daniel Warner Green March 1793,
John Green Apl 1790/1796
John Green Nov 1787.

For William yes, ref given.

William Green, Clifton, yeo, A1806/11

I did look to see if any others that might be connected with the little that I know of your "Greens". Bit of a nightmare with such a common name.......I have "Smith".....such fun.!!!!

Anyway here are the few that may or may not connect........picked out because the parish borders Shefford ........no other reason.

Edward Green, Southill, Rowney, farmer, 1761/56
Edward Green, Southill, Rowney, farmer, 1779/18

Elizabeth Green,Clifton,  spins, 1854/19

Sarah Green, Clifton, wid, 1852/47

William Green, Chicksands, farmer, A1751/8
William Green, Shefford, baker, 1826/53
William Green, Shefford, spirit merchant, 1838/31

Warner Green, Shefford, butcher, 1853/53

I have no idea as to how much Beds CRO charges other than when I get a copy for myself and that has always been in person. So if you are not too sure and can wait for another week or so when I plan to visit Beds CRO I can have a look at those you are not too sure about. I suppose I would need to know a little of your tree.....think a bit of it on here.

Am happy to look as I will be doing my own stuff so no big deal,

Susan





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« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 08 June 05 18:18 BST (UK) »

Hello Susan,

Thanks so much once again Smiley

I ordered the other will ref you gave me and it was £5 by post.

I would so much love to have a couple of days there, but I am a fair few hours away in Essex and with school age children not so easy.

The William Green Clifton I shall probably get

Also the  Warner Green Butcher and William Green Baker.

Will e mail the RO tomorrow.

As you say Green is a nightmare name, but doesn't seem quite so bad in Beds. When my William moved to London between the 1841 census and when he married in 1859 it got a little bit hairy!

I have my nan Liilian Green, then her father Thomas(b.London), Then William(b.Clifton), then George (clifton in 1841 then Huh) It got a bit desperate after George as his marriage entry in 1830 gave no place of birth or parents!

But thanks to a lot of help from you and also much information from Criggy last year I am 99% certain that the John Green whose will I ordered is George's grandfather. Everything ties up with the bakers and the Warner name.

William married twice 1859, then again 1872. He had several children with his first wife Jemima. 1871 census she was nowhere to be seen and the girl he married was there as servant aged 17!! although I haven't been able to find all those children on other census.

I have him on every census bar 1851, which could possibly hold the key to what happened to George and his wife Ann.

Anyway I digress(sp?)

I have just received the Shefford registers and as soon as will plough through and try to fit that part of the family together.

Also the fact that the John Green (father of George?) married a Sarah Green, whose father was a William Green of Clifton to my mind makes no doubt that this John is Georges father.

It would seem that John Green who died in 1810 owned Stanford Mill. I did email the RO about this but have had no answer, will try again.

He was married to a Martha.

He left the mill to Thomas William and Warner. His son John (mine?) was left £50. He married a Sarah Green and had a fair few children, quite a lot died!

Her father William (who I wonder that admon ref could be) was from Clifton. He was married to an Elizabeth.

I don't know where the Warner name comes from as yet. My Thomas named one of his sons it too.

Once again much appreciated.

Diane Smiley

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Re: Anybody going to Beds RO???
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 22 March 08 06:15 GMT (UK) »

Diane

Have a look at UK National Archives as there may be clerk's copies of Wills as there are for the POPE family...there may be real Wills in the Beds Archives.

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