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Topic: Mears mess - Help! (Read 7100 times)
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Nicky
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Hi
In the 1861 James is listed as a widower, so presumably mother to Harriet and Mary had died, and by 1871 James had remarried.
Logically he would of been married to a Simkiss!!
Just a thought!!!
Might need to look for marriage of James, or a death of a Mears, between 1859 and 1861.
Nicky
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RachelK
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My late mother Polly
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Hiya Willow,
Sorry I've not been in touch, I wasn't online for a while coz my pc broke. I didn't even realise the 1861 was online till you sent me these images!
Might well be a mess, but it's probably gonna be quite helpful in the long run, and gives us more to investigate. Especially as the Boffy's were a problematic bunch anyway, so it might be a good thing that line's been cut short.
If Elizabeth Taylor is James' mother, then we are assuming she's on her second marriage as her surname isn't Mears? Also it didn't say she's widowed so where is her husband?
Nicky is probably right that the Simkiss family are James' first wife's parents. So we need to find what her name was. Also have you found any of them on the later censuses? I just had a quick look and didn't see anything. But I'm not concentrating properly so I'll have to have a proper go later.
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Staffordshire - Kendrick, Higgs, Ralph, Mears, Egginton, Simkiss, Beebee, Hartshorn, Pitt, Howard, Law, Hilton, Humphreyson,
Worcestershire - Kendrick, Onions, Timmins, Harvey, Stephens, Hill
Shropshire - Williams, Wilcox, Moreton, Poole, Gennoe, Stedman, Astley, Morris, Roe
Carmarthenshire - Naylor
Montgomeryshire - Williams, Wilcox
Middlesex - Silver, Martin
Suffolk - Chenery
Somerset - Owen, Chorley, Rugg
Lancashire - Evans, Silver
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RachelK
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My late mother Polly
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Decided to look for the other granddaughter Harriet Tyler's family, and they are relatively uncomplicated so far, hallelujah!
I say that now and I haven't finished looking for them all yet coz there's a lot, don't wanna jinx us.  
Anyway, Henry and Harriet must have had a daughter called Isabella Simkiss.
She married Thomas Tyler (Mar 1850 17 379 W-ton) from free bmd. They aren't on the same page as whoever transcribed Thomas couldn't read the page number, but he comes up in a march1850 search too.
1861 3 alsace (?) court w-ton, (little brickiln lane)
h: Thomas Tyler 32 Mill maker W-ton
w: Isabella Tyler 28 Pattingham, Staffs
s: Herbert Tyler 8 W-ton
s: Thomas Tyler 3 "
boarder: Fanny Pickin house servant ?
(?) Pickin 2 days (male) W-ton
1871 23 Goat (?) St w-ton
h: Thomas Tyler 45 copper mill manager w-ton staffs
w: Isabella Tyler 37 dressmaker pattingham staffs
s: Herbert Tyler 19 locksmith w-ton
d: Harriett Tyler 16 presser w-ton (with grandparents in 1861)
s: Thomas 13 scholar w-ton
d: Alice 9 scholar w-ton
s: Charles 7 scholar w-ton
d: Emma 4 scholar w-ton
d: Louisa 6mths w-ton
I can send you the other census page references if you want, there's too much to put all on here. At least this tells us the Simkiss family were living in Pattingham at some stage.
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« Last Edit: Sunday 15 May 05 02:30 UTC (UK) by RachelK »
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Staffordshire - Kendrick, Higgs, Ralph, Mears, Egginton, Simkiss, Beebee, Hartshorn, Pitt, Howard, Law, Hilton, Humphreyson,
Worcestershire - Kendrick, Onions, Timmins, Harvey, Stephens, Hill
Shropshire - Williams, Wilcox, Moreton, Poole, Gennoe, Stedman, Astley, Morris, Roe
Carmarthenshire - Naylor
Montgomeryshire - Williams, Wilcox
Middlesex - Silver, Martin
Suffolk - Chenery
Somerset - Owen, Chorley, Rugg
Lancashire - Evans, Silver
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RachelK
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My late mother Polly
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Ooooooooh I just checked on the IGI for Isabella.
ISABELLA SIMKISS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 23 JAN 1833 Pattingham, Stafford, England
parents henry and harriet simkiss
unfortunately no other kids, not in that batch anyway aaaaaargggggh.
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Staffordshire - Kendrick, Higgs, Ralph, Mears, Egginton, Simkiss, Beebee, Hartshorn, Pitt, Howard, Law, Hilton, Humphreyson,
Worcestershire - Kendrick, Onions, Timmins, Harvey, Stephens, Hill
Shropshire - Williams, Wilcox, Moreton, Poole, Gennoe, Stedman, Astley, Morris, Roe
Carmarthenshire - Naylor
Montgomeryshire - Williams, Wilcox
Middlesex - Silver, Martin
Suffolk - Chenery
Somerset - Owen, Chorley, Rugg
Lancashire - Evans, Silver
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RachelK
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My late mother Polly
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In case you haven't seen the post, Tree Freak has kindly done a look up for them on the 1851 census, http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=58283.new#new
So we have another brother, Charles, to add to the mix. I have found (I think) all the Simkiss' on 1871 now, they just got written down wrong or mistranscribed as Simpkiss, Simkins etc.
Henry snr is also in the workhouse in 1871 as a widower (mistranscribed as Timkiss), so Harriet died before then. Richard matches up with what you found on later census. Thomas is down as Thos Henery Symkiss living in W-ton with wife Emma and sons John and Joseph. Emma is widowed in 1891.
The only contradiction I have is with Henry junior. The one you found is a possibility, but I am leaning towards another living in Gloucestershire. He is down as Simkins in '71 but Simkiss in '81. I am thinking this is more likely to be the right one because his occupation is iron plate worker (same as his brothers). Let me know what you think, or ANYONE have any thoughts on this please?
1871: Duffetts buildings, St Philip&St Jacob, Gloucestershire.
H: Henry Simkins 26 Iron plater worker born W-ton
W: Charlotte Simkins 26 W-ton
S: Henry Simkins 6 Scholar Birmingham
s: Albert Simkins 3 St Philip, Bristol
d: Charlotte Simkins 1 St Philip, Bristol
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Staffordshire - Kendrick, Higgs, Ralph, Mears, Egginton, Simkiss, Beebee, Hartshorn, Pitt, Howard, Law, Hilton, Humphreyson,
Worcestershire - Kendrick, Onions, Timmins, Harvey, Stephens, Hill
Shropshire - Williams, Wilcox, Moreton, Poole, Gennoe, Stedman, Astley, Morris, Roe
Carmarthenshire - Naylor
Montgomeryshire - Williams, Wilcox
Middlesex - Silver, Martin
Suffolk - Chenery
Somerset - Owen, Chorley, Rugg
Lancashire - Evans, Silver
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Willow 4873
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They don't tell you leather pinches!
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Hiya Rachel
You didn't say that you had found Thomas so here he is in 1881 at 8 Hall Street, Wolverhampton
Thomas Simkiss b 1842 Wolverhampton Iron plate worker
Emma b 1846 Wolverhampton wife
John b 1870 Wolverhampton son
Joseph b 1871 Wolverhampton son
Jacob Jones b 1829 Caerleos, Monmouth, Wales visitor
Source RG9/2793 Folio 96
Thoams married Emma Walkaden in 2/4 1867 - his middle name is Henry
OOOOH
Found them in the 1891 census at 156 Penn Road, Wolverhampton
Alfred John Webb b 1871 Wolverhampton Grocers manager head
Emma Simpkiss b Housekeeper widow
John Simpkiss b 1870 Wolverhampton Shoemaker
Joseph Simkiss b 1871 Wolverhampton Shoemaker
Source RG9/2228 Folio 125
I can't find any of them in the 1901 census and I cant find their deaths listed either
There is listed a death for an Emma Simkiss in 1874 aged 0 think it might be a possability its a relation?
Willow x
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Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and is for academic and non-commercial research purposes only Researching: Hilton, Simkiss, Mears & Jones (Wolverhampton) Bowkett (Ledbury & Wolverhampton) Knight (Gloucestershire) Nash (Ledbury) Beard (Worcester & Gloucestershire), Ralph (Wolverhampton & Bilston), Colley (Tibberton) Roberts (Wolverhampton & Bilston), Harris (Droitwich) Matthews (Wolverhampton & High Offley) |
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RachelK
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Thomas is down as Thos Henery Symkiss living in W-ton with wife Emma and sons John and Joseph. Emma is widowed in 1891.
Yeah I did mention Thomas, although it wasn't very clear coz I was being lazy and couldn't be bothered to paste it from the census lol. I too haven't found them on 1901 yet, I'm sure they're hiding somewhere under a weirdly misunderstood name.
Charles has been pretty easy to find, on every census. He married an Ellen and they lived in b-ham, aston and in 1871 lye in worcs. They had 6 kids and were both still alive in 1901. On the 1881 he called himself Thomas instead of Charles but it was definitely the right family. Will send you all the census references if you need them because it's too much to put on here, but means we have LOADS of rellies to add to our trees, and more to find!
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Staffordshire - Kendrick, Higgs, Ralph, Mears, Egginton, Simkiss, Beebee, Hartshorn, Pitt, Howard, Law, Hilton, Humphreyson,
Worcestershire - Kendrick, Onions, Timmins, Harvey, Stephens, Hill
Shropshire - Williams, Wilcox, Moreton, Poole, Gennoe, Stedman, Astley, Morris, Roe
Carmarthenshire - Naylor
Montgomeryshire - Williams, Wilcox
Middlesex - Silver, Martin
Suffolk - Chenery
Somerset - Owen, Chorley, Rugg
Lancashire - Evans, Silver
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RachelK
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My late mother Polly
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I swear I must have added more than 50 people to the tree with these Simkiss folks. And yeah it's not all verified by certificates blah, but who is gonna pay that much to get each one?!
The move to Birmingham is interesting, but more interesting is why did Henry jnr move to Bristol? Charles obviously did too at some point, or was maybe just visiting Henry, as his son Edwin/Edward was born there.
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Staffordshire - Kendrick, Higgs, Ralph, Mears, Egginton, Simkiss, Beebee, Hartshorn, Pitt, Howard, Law, Hilton, Humphreyson,
Worcestershire - Kendrick, Onions, Timmins, Harvey, Stephens, Hill
Shropshire - Williams, Wilcox, Moreton, Poole, Gennoe, Stedman, Astley, Morris, Roe
Carmarthenshire - Naylor
Montgomeryshire - Williams, Wilcox
Middlesex - Silver, Martin
Suffolk - Chenery
Somerset - Owen, Chorley, Rugg
Lancashire - Evans, Silver
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RachelK
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That's great! I know this sounds stupid, but when I was looking for possible candidates for Mary Ann's mother in the Simkiss' floating around on freebmd I had a feeling it was going to be Jemima. Thanks for getting the cert, that was very quick!
I tried to send you an e-mail about Charles the other day but I used 2 addresses, a yahoo one and a blueyonder one. The blueyonder failed so I'm wondering if it was an old address.
The lady on GR has replied although she didn't see any connection because she found Edwin with father Thomas on 1881 (When Charles got written down wrong) and also found Henry and Harriet with 3 sons and no Charles, but I've explained and directed her to this thread.
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Staffordshire - Kendrick, Higgs, Ralph, Mears, Egginton, Simkiss, Beebee, Hartshorn, Pitt, Howard, Law, Hilton, Humphreyson,
Worcestershire - Kendrick, Onions, Timmins, Harvey, Stephens, Hill
Shropshire - Williams, Wilcox, Moreton, Poole, Gennoe, Stedman, Astley, Morris, Roe
Carmarthenshire - Naylor
Montgomeryshire - Williams, Wilcox
Middlesex - Silver, Martin
Suffolk - Chenery
Somerset - Owen, Chorley, Rugg
Lancashire - Evans, Silver
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