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Eyam History Plague Deaths etc
« on: Thursday 15 September 11 23:23 BST (UK) »
Hi - not connected with my family but I have always been fascinated with Eyam.

Just collecting pictures and snippets of hisory now to put together a slideshow for Youtube (my hobby).

Have ordered the 'Woods' book and have read some others and online websites.
What I found odd is that there is no village website where you can actualy get in touch with people, also the village museum isnt on email!  Read that they have a 'talking' tour which would be good.
I'm in Wales and not well so can't get there myself so doing the next best thing and visiting 'virtually'!

Must be marvellous to live on one of those houses with so much history.

Have read that there is some disagreement now as to the population size at the time of the plaque and what the ilnes may have been - but I don't think it detracts for the story of what happened and the whole atmosphere of the place.

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Re: Eyam History Plague Deaths etc
« Reply #1 on: Friday 16 September 11 15:21 BST (UK) »
Have ocme across a discrepancy that someone mgiht be able to help with - it seems the list of plague victims on the Eyam Museum website http://www.eyammuseum.demon.co.uk/victims.htm differs from the one on the Eyam Village webiste http://www.eyamplaguevillage.co.uk/index.php/eyam-plague/plague-victims.
I have not checked them all but the Museum has dates for some deaths in March 1666 that the village website doesn't have - but them for March the village website has deaths listed that the museum does not??
No email contact for either so no way of asking.

I would have thought that the list would not have been in dispute in Eyam.

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Re: Eyam History Plague Deaths etc
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 17 September 11 09:45 BST (UK) »
I think you will find the Museum has only a partial list as there were supposed to be only about 110 survivors out of a population in the villiage of 360. This would make the death toll about 250 about what the villiage web site has.The plague ran from about September 1665 to about November/December 1666
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Re: Eyam History Plague Deaths etc
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 17 September 11 09:51 BST (UK) »
Oh Thanks - yes I'msure the website and another list from Warwick Uni look the same - but not done detailed comparison yet.
I thought the names would have come from the Church Registers - or weren't they recorded there?  Would have thought these lists would all agree and was surprised when they didn't??  Will be having William Woods book soon to see what he says about it.

I have read about the dispute over the number who were left alive and how many were in the village at the beginning of the plague - but didn't realsie they were disputing the list of deaths as well?

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Re: Eyam History Plague Deaths etc
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 21 September 11 13:35 BST (UK) »
There is a link to a detailed database form the Msueum webiste which I have bene comparing with the one one the Eyam Plague website - should have replied here before but found contacts i Eyam via a Facebook group page - http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=2370772763

Here is what I have found:
Below are the discrepanceis I have found between the Museum List and the one on Eyam Plague website - hope its not too confusing - think it really needs two people to check the lists side by side:
3/11/1665 Alice Taylor - not classed as Plague Death by Museum database
30/11/1665 Randal Danyell/Daniel not classed as Plague Death by Museum but died on 2/12/1665
2/12/1665 Richard Coyle - not classed as Plague Death by Museum
28/1/1666 John Thorley - not counted as Plague Death by Museum
4/2/1666 Peter Morton - not classed as Plague Death by Museum
18/2/1666 Adam Hawkesworth - not classed as Plague Death by Museum
27/2/1666 Elizabeth Abell - not classed as Plague Death by Museum
14/3/1666 John Wood - not classed as Plague Death by Museum
27/3/166 Alice Hawksworth - not classed as Plague Death by Museum
March 1666 Thomas Alleyn - but shown as 6/4/1666 on Museum lisit
March 1666 John Talbot not classed as Plague Death
16/4/1666 Edward Barnsley - not classed as Plague Death by Museum
21/4/1666 Margaret Gregory - not classed as Plague Death by Museum
11/5/1666 James Taylor - not classed as Plague Death by Museum
24/5/1666 Ellen Charlesworth - not classed as Plague Death by Museum

3/1666 Mary Buxton on Eyam Plague list isn't on the database list of deaths at all
10/1666 Agnes Sheldon not on Museum list
8/10/166 Anne Taylor should be ALICE
13/10/1665 Annie Thorre should be AMY
October 1665 Farmily of Banes named as HANDS?
January 1666 Samuel Rowbottom down as 2nd instead of 1st
February 1666 Thomas Rowland down as 13th instead of 14th
June 1666 Isaac Thorley down as 2nd instead of 1st
16/6/1666 Mary Heald should be 15th not 16th
18/6/1666 Jane Thorley not on Eyam Plague site
8/7/1666 Edytha torre 8th but should be 11th
26/7/1666 Anne Chapman should be 28th not 26th
26/7/1666 Lydia Chapman should be 28th not 26th
4/8/1666 Thomas Hawkesworth missing form Eyam Plague site
20/8/1666 Joan Talbot should be JOHN?
21/8/1666 Ruth Morton shuld be 22nd not 21st
21/8/1666 Infant Frith should be 22nd not 21st
16/8/1666 Thomas Morley should be 13th not 16th
16/8/1666 Joan Wood should be 13th not 16th
Missing October 1666 dates are on Museum site.

I'm no authority or saying one list is right and the other wrong - just pointing out what I'd seen.

On reading Daniel's little book on Eyam Plague today did find two deaths mentioned though:
PETER MORTON at Bretton - so perhaps thats why he was excluded from Museum list

Also found MARY BUXTON - seems she was at Foolow so could have been excluded for the same reason.

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Re: Eyam History Plague Deaths etc
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 22 September 11 10:32 BST (UK) »
An interesting article was found while googling - from the University of Liverpool which seems to use the Eyam Museum's figures - but I've not read thoroughly yet:
http://www.localpopulationstudies.org.uk/PDF/LPS54/LPS54_1995_56-65.pdf

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Re: Eyam History Plague Deaths etc
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 26 October 11 18:51 BST (UK) »
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Re: Eyam History Plague Deaths etc
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 26 October 11 19:15 BST (UK) »
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Re: Eyam History Plague Deaths etc
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 26 October 11 20:23 BST (UK) »
Yes have read that thanks - quite an interesting read.